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As Many As One Million Armed New Yorkers Are About To Break The Law
Forbes ^ | 4/13/2014 | Frank Miniter

Posted on 04/15/2014 12:24:45 PM PDT by neverdem

This year April 15 is more than the tax deadline for an estimated one million New York State residents. It’s also the deadline to register “assault weapons” and “high-capacity” magazines. If they don’t, they’ll begin living outside the law. A lot of them have decided to do just that. They’ve decided to practice civil disobedience even though failure to register an “assault weapon” by the deadline is punishable as a “class A misdemeanor,” which means a maximum sentence of one year in prison.

I put “assault weapon” and “high-capacity” in quotes because their definitions vary by state—they’re political terms. In New York State, the SAFE Act passed by the legislature and signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo in January 2013, uses an expansive and elaborate definition of “assault weapon” that includes a lot more than AR-15s. Now even a semiautomatic Remington Model 1100 shotgun—a popular shotgun first made in 1963 that is used by millions of hunters and skeet shooters—is an “assault weapon” in New York State if the shotgun has a pistol grip. Many other commonly owned pistols, shotguns and rifles are also now labeled “assault weapons” in New York State.

When I asked the New York State Police how many New York gun owners had registered the guns they own that now fit somewhere into the state’s expansive “assault weapons” category the state responded: “New York State Police cannot release information related to the registration of assault weapons including the number of assault weapons registered. Those records you seek are derived from information collected for the State Police database and are, therefore, exempt from disclosure.”

This is the same dilemma Connecticut gun owners found themselves in at the end of 2013. As of December 31, 2013, according to Lt. J. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police...

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; andrewcuomo; banglist; billdeblasio; chirlanemccray; cuomo; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; safeact
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1 posted on 04/15/2014 12:24:45 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They’re going to send 200 armed BLM officers to surround them.


2 posted on 04/15/2014 12:26:59 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: neverdem

Last time NYCers registered those the Federal government used the registrations to enforce a new Federal ban on them, it was 1994.


3 posted on 04/15/2014 12:31:47 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: neverdem

regustration means confiscation.

Never register. Bury them if you must, in cosmoline, but
NEVER register.

It violates the 2nd amendtment to requuire registering them,
so civil disobedience is justified.


4 posted on 04/15/2014 12:31:59 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

I would say:

“If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.” - Thomas Jefferson

But we are way past that. If you register you put a big target on your back. If you register they will change what is allowed and come for your gun. Canada, Australia, New York city... They do it ALL the time. Registration leads to confiscation, each and every time. Always


5 posted on 04/15/2014 12:40:27 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: neverdem
This is getting encouraging. Between Connecticut and now New York, the populace is getting fed up, not to mention all the laws being passed by the States that allow either open carry and/or concealed carry.

I read this forum almost every day and one of the joys I get is the articles about someone blowing the crap out of some home invader - and getting off. Love it! And liberals wonder why the FBI statistics say crime is going down. They think it's the police...har! It's the fact that over the last decade or more that decent citizens are packing.

6 posted on 04/15/2014 12:41:05 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: neverdem

“New Yawk”, It figures. “New Yawk” has ALWAYS been a TORY Stronghold since before the American Revolution!


7 posted on 04/15/2014 12:41:38 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: neverdem

That’s One Million votes against Cuomo

Nice Work “Little Prince” Andrew! We could not have done better


8 posted on 04/15/2014 12:43:28 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: neverdem

An Australian told me that they passed a registration law. Then they went door to door and collected all the guns. I saw a photo of really nice Spencer rifles (US Civil War)being crushed by a road roller.


9 posted on 04/15/2014 12:45:09 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: thorvaldr
If you register they will change what is allowed and come for your gun. Canada, Australia, New York city... They do it ALL the time.

We must recognize that registering guns is of itself an act of tyranny.

10 posted on 04/15/2014 12:46:13 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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Is registration in person? If not, people need to start “registering” phantom “assault weapons” in leftist’s names and sending in those registrations in droves. Flood and invalidate the system while getting some libtards harassed by their beloved government.


11 posted on 04/15/2014 12:52:32 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Enterprise

LOL!!!


12 posted on 04/15/2014 12:55:13 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Ghost of SVR4
Is registration in person? If not, people need to start “registering” phantom “assault weapons” in leftist’s names and sending in those registrations in droves.

ROFL!!!!

Splendid! Shove Alinsky right down their throats!

13 posted on 04/15/2014 12:55:27 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: A Navy Vet

This is getting encouraging. Between Connecticut and now New York, the populace is getting fed up, not to mention all the laws being passed by the States that allow either open carry and/or concealed carry.

************

It is very encouraging that the Statists are losing the people in blue states.


14 posted on 04/15/2014 12:59:20 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: A Navy Vet

This is getting encouraging. Between Connecticut and now New York, the populace is getting fed up


And I think the Arizona Bundy ranch event can be rolled into this whole pot.


15 posted on 04/15/2014 1:03:44 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Ghost of SVR4

The NY SAFE act web page says you need a Drivers License to register. https://firearms.troopers.ny.gov/safeact/welcome.faces


16 posted on 04/15/2014 1:07:10 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: neverdem

There almost 20 million peoples in NYSTATE.

We don got it 500,000 armed patriots here in the Ardirondacks, the most sparsely populated area of the state.

Sooo I din figgur we git about 10 million armed in the state, not one million coz everybody outside the cities is armed n dangerous too. Plus each one of them varmit shooters has at least 5 to 10 weapons ready for action against them varmits anytime anyday anyplace-
YEAA I figgur maybe 10 million guns at least is pointin as we speak it here but more like 50 million gums we got ready loaded n sights wetted too.
twangggggggg


17 posted on 04/15/2014 1:07:56 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: neverdem
Those records you seek are derived from information collected for the State Police database and are, therefore, exempt from disclosure.”

And of course "those records" were collected legally, right?

I don't believe it for a minute.

18 posted on 04/15/2014 1:13:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: taxcontrol

Bummer...


19 posted on 04/15/2014 1:13:10 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: neverdem

The political class relies upon voluntary compliance with their edicts to meet their aims. Without that, they’re impotent busybodies not much different from those you see getting really excitable about the bylaws of their homeowners association.


20 posted on 04/15/2014 1:23:54 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: Gen.Blather

In NY they will do this very gradually.

Whenever you are stopped for anything by the police, they will check to see if you bought an “assault weapon”, and try to enforce the SAFE act.

Whenever you do anything related to taxes or vehicle registration, they will check.

Any interaction with the state will result in a check regarding “assault weapons”.

They will probably do things like deny vehicle registrations until you turn in your illegal weapons, or satisfy them about your weapons.

It will be a very gradual process, not an all at once move.


21 posted on 04/15/2014 1:32:19 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Enterprise; All

Good thing they don’t own cattle...


22 posted on 04/15/2014 1:33:04 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: neverdem

Yesteday a 13 year old boy was shot in the head by a gangbanger attempting to shoot someone else. These thugs they cant control or do not want to, they suspeneded stop and frisk so now the housing projects are back to being more of a hell hole than before,saw a new campaign commercial young black man running for mayor of newark nj in it he says he will confront the NRA on illegal guns in the streets. This is the propaganda they feed the trough eaters. 5 dollar bags of heroin sold on street corners across nyc and state and the sfachime govenor cooomo passes the safe act in the middle of the night without a vote, not to protect its people from the thugs and gangbangers but to protect the tyranny within


23 posted on 04/15/2014 1:35:23 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: ltc8k6

“It will be a very gradual process, not an all at once move.”

I met an investor who sold is business and moved out of New York. He said, “I’m not giving up my guns.” So, he moved his sizable fortune to Florida where he’s busy buying property here instead of there.


24 posted on 04/15/2014 1:36:34 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: neverdem

Good. the fascists can go to hell.


25 posted on 04/15/2014 1:42:23 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Ghost of SVR4
Okay, there it is .... dead lock on "Evil Genius Award of the Month".

Best Post of a Best Idea Ever. <bows, scrapes, salutes>

26 posted on 04/15/2014 1:51:03 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: bunkerhill7
Bennington was the biggest militia action of the entire Revolution ..... Burgoyne won, but it sure put a limp in his swagger, and he promptly lost the whole campaign at Oriskany a few days later.

Maybe Burgoyne shouldn't have screwed with 'em at Bennington.

27 posted on 04/15/2014 1:55:33 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem
H.L. Mencken:

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."

The time, its a coming.

28 posted on 04/15/2014 1:56:17 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
New York Officials Argue for Flexibility with Gun Law Violators… As Long as They're on the City's Payroll

Preet Bharara won't rule out ethics probe into Gov. Cuomo

FReepmail me if you want on or off my New York ping list.

IMHO, this could mean almost 1 million new voters against Cuomo in particular and moonbats in general. We'll see.

29 posted on 04/15/2014 1:58:33 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: Mr. K
That’s One Million votes against Cuomo

I think it will be a mix of newly registratered voters and a return of single issue Second Amendment only voters. Rats had a lot of people fooled since there hasn't been many serious attempts at gun grabbing in Congress since 2006 when the rats took Congress until Newtown, CT. Rats could lose Congressional seats in upstate NY. Similar seats in CA, CO and CT should bear watching too.

30 posted on 04/15/2014 2:14:58 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: ronnie raygun

And people like my son headed for greener, more patriot and gun friendly pastures when he graduated college.

Got a pistol permit the very first thing he did after changing his driver’s license.


31 posted on 04/15/2014 2:30:37 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: neverdem

One can only hope.


32 posted on 04/15/2014 2:31:50 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Bennington was the biggest militia action of the entire Revolution ..... Burgoyne won

Burgoyne won???????

I wonder what NH General Stark, VT General Ethan Allen, and all the NH and VT volunteers who slaughtered the Hessians and Brits at the Battle of Bennington (actually fought on a hill in NY), would think of this revelation?

Now that I think of it, I'm not sure if Ethan was there, but a lot of my cousins, great uncles, etc., were.

33 posted on 04/15/2014 2:38:46 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Enterprise

There will be Freepers accusing these newly minted felons of being in the wrong.


34 posted on 04/15/2014 2:45:08 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: lentulusgracchus

I don’t think the Brits ever put this one in the win column.


35 posted on 04/15/2014 2:47:21 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: neverdem

Class A misdemeanor is just the foot in the door.


36 posted on 04/15/2014 2:50:08 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Still, it is a fun thought exercise. Could you imagine if the entire NY Senate / Representatives were all registered to own an assault weapon?? Now that would be political theater!


37 posted on 04/15/2014 3:18:57 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Ghost of SVR4

I say something along those lines to liberals/progressives all the time. It goes something like this...

I ask: “Do you really think you’ll be among the liberal elite?” (Rhetorical, the answer is clearly NO.)

Then I ask something like: “Advocating what you do, do you really think freedom loving people that surround you will let pass into this brave new world with your reputation intact? And, innuendo being as salacious as it is, who, what bureaucrat will believe you, why would they risk it?” (No and No, again rhetorical)

Then I ask: “Whom will you complain too when you or your kids are low on the list for that medical treatment, ration or whatever?” (Usually no response here as their getting pissed.)

Then I tell them: “If you complain to me I’ll nob sympathetically...figure I owe you that.”


38 posted on 04/15/2014 3:51:01 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: skeeter
"There will be Freepers accusing these newly minted felons of being in the wrong."

Solid point! Since a law has been passed, the law must be followed.

39 posted on 04/15/2014 4:02:29 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: ltc8k6

They gave a year to sell, destroy or register the weapons. Now they did make the sale/transfer within NY immediately prohibited.

However, pretty simple solution to that really...

“No, officer I no longer possess the weapon, I sold it out of my car truck to a Vermonter when I was at my buddies camp in Vermont. The leaves were turn, it was beautiful that weekend. Have you been to Vermont.”

-or-

“Hey, I left it at my buddies camp in PA.”

Point being it’s not illegal for a New York State resident to transfer and/or possess an “assault weapon” outside of New York and the enforcement arm within New York has no jurisdiction in any of these places. (In other words “piss off”.)


40 posted on 04/15/2014 4:08:19 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: US Navy Vet
“New Yawk” City has ALWAYS been a TORY Stronghold since before the American Revolution!

Wrong. I corrected it.

Most of the upstate was always a bastion of Patriot sentiment, although (like every other Colony) they did have their share of Tories. Upstate New York is still Patriot Country (outside of the cities). That is where the resistance is coming from against Cuomo and the Commie registration scheme.

By and large, upstaters detest the City and it's Liberal control freaks. They are just badly outnumbered because the City (the Tories) votes 3 to 1 Democrat and governs like Shitcago (another Commie bastion).

41 posted on 04/15/2014 5:14:32 PM PDT by Gritty (Gun controllers aren't afraid of guns but a country where the individual has power-Dan Greenfield)
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks neverdem.
42 posted on 04/15/2014 6:18:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: taxcontrol

Tell the stasi that you are a dreamer and undocumented.


43 posted on 04/15/2014 6:48:29 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: neverdem

This is us today.
http://www.wgrz.com/videos/news/local/new-york/2014/04/15/7753801/

http://www.redstate.com/2014/04/15/shredding-safe-act-registration-forms-new-york/


44 posted on 04/15/2014 7:28:25 PM PDT by The Mayor (Honesty means never having to look over your shoulder.)
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To: Mr. K

Look above, we had a great turn out and all media covered the whole thing.
We must have shredded 400 Gun Registration forms!


45 posted on 04/15/2014 7:30:56 PM PDT by The Mayor (Honesty means never having to look over your shoulder.)
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To: neverdem

I don’t own any assault weapons. I do however possess a few personal safety devices....


46 posted on 04/15/2014 7:32:41 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: Fitzy_888

http://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/PPB-12.pdf?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=YJXI-QWII-HL1J-48KM-GQCB-UQ2D-WBKG-MR68

Not so simple to claim you made a private sale to a VT camping buddy...


47 posted on 04/15/2014 7:38:10 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 04/15/2014 7:57:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ltc8k6

The deadline to register was Today.

“I was in Vermont back in October, you know leaf peeping and hot apple cider donuts and such. I think the guy’s name was Bob and he wears a flannel hat.”

“Opse, yah, I forgot to register something I don’t have before the deadline...which is after I no longer have it.”

“Oh wait, now that I think about it I think I sold it in back in 2012. Yes, I remember the Obama campaign signs, wacky social liberals they over there, but they make one heck of a cider donut.”

CASE DISMISSED!

Seriously, how can they compel you to prove you don’t have something? It’s a big State, I could have put it anywhere. We’re talking on here, maybe I gave it to you to store? Will a judge permit them to search your house? Where does it stop? It doesn’t...that’s why it’s all stupid.

CASE DISMISSED!


49 posted on 04/15/2014 8:59:16 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: neverdem

50 posted on 04/15/2014 10:11:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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