Posted on 04/26/2014 8:30:17 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Edited on 04/26/2014 8:46:25 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
The relationship (or lack thereof) between the mainstream of the Republican party and the tea party has long been pooh-poohed by GOP strategists as standard operating procedure for a party out of the White House. The base and the establishment feud and, in the end, the base falls in line, they argue. But what if the tea party movement represents something new -- and less manageable -- for the establishment heading into the 2016 presidential race?
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And nominate good candidates to replace the bad ones.
We did that in 2006.
I’m walking away if I don’t like the candidate.
I will not wait till 2016, if a RINO runs, I will stay home and let America get what she deserves.
As Jefferson said, “A people get the leaders they desearve”
Is the insinuation the GOP’s chances of defeating Hillary would be damaged if the TP left them?
I suppose if the top three hitters of the Houston Astros suddenly departed to begin forming their own team, technically it would further hurt the ‘Stros chances of winning the American League pennant... but it’s pretty much academic.
That needs to be repeated....daily.....from the rooftops.....and from the pulpits.
The church in America -most especially - needs to wake up to this fact, repent of trying to please the world and return to her first love, the One who sought her and bought her.
I think any candidate that the GOP can field in 2016 alienate many GOP voters. If the candidate is Jeb, so many will stay home or vote third party that the GOP will suffer a humiliating landslide defeat.
In the medium term, the GOP will collapse if its leaders do not change the course they are on.
Just like in business how the customer is always right, in politics the base is always right. You cannot have leaders who go against and even attack their followers for very long. I’m surprised the GOP is still holding together as much as it is at this point.
Well one thing is that he puts Scott Walker on the establishment side, and I’m not sure that’s accurate.
However, if the Rs push through Amnesty between now and then I think they are finished, I won’t vote for them again and so I probably won’t vote. Of course the country as a whole will be pretty well done for at that point so whether I vote or not, or for whom or which party, will pretty much be a moot point.
“I honestly think the GOP would like to kick us out and lose.”
Yes, and in a perverse way, the GOPe is little different than the RATs. I mean holding onto their individual and collective “political power” is their primary objective. And at the margins both parties are more alike than different. I think if the GOPe does what they are planning to stunt the Tea Party Candidates, that 2016 should be the end of any support for Republicans. The GOPe needs to die off because otherwise we will simply have the kind of dysfunctional government going forward irrespective of which party is actually in control. I have yet to re-register as an Independent, but I told the GOP to take a hike as far as my contributions are concerned back in the early part of GWB’s second term.
Already happened. The GOP just doesn't know it yet.
PS to myself: Even if I were a 100% supporter of Amnesty I would think they were fools to let Obama take the victory lap with it. If i supported Amnesty and thought I would be good for America and good for the R party I would CERTAINLY want them to wait until we had an R president in the WH.
Great point.
I don't know if I am the "tea party" but I aint voting for 'em. I am a pretty reliable R voter. I vote in all the elections, always have, always Republican.Used to be, that was an honorable position. Nowadays, you blindly vote "R" at your (and your country's) peril.
Would you put McConnell back in office? McCain? Boehner? Over a clearly & demonstrably more conservative and constitutionally solid Tea-Party candidate?
I used to vote like you. I can't bring myself to do that anymore. It's far too risky. I don't know where you are at, so perhaps you can safely and confidently vote "R" without holding your nose and crossing your fingers. Best of luck to you.
Ross Perot got a lot of votes because the RINO HW Bush left a lot
of voter concerns on the table. So don’t blame Perot because Bush
Left a huge opening for Perot. Bush got exactly what was coming to
him with his “read my lips, no new taxes” BS along with ignoring
conservatives.
Exactly! It was Bush who left a big opening for Perot. And Perot
took advantage of it.
Perot was a stalking horse for Clinton.
End of story.
“I honestly think the GOP would like to kick us out and lose.
And I agree. I call it the “Harlem Globetrotter” theory. The GOPe recognizes that their job security, which is exclusively what they care about, is unaffected by them winning or losing the election. In a 2-party system, the job-security of the loser is every bit as guaranteed as the job-security of the winner. They could not care less about traditional notions of representing their constituencies; anything that resembles progress along those lines is pure happenstance. Failure along those lines just allows them to more assiduously state their fighting stance and justify requests for greater levels of campaign contributions. They are interested only in grifting the system, and the possibilities of grifting the system are basically equal whether one opposes or supports any given issue. All they care about is having a spoon out in the flow to catch what they can catch this side of being criminally indicted.
Don’t you think if Clinton really encouraged Perot to run, that Bush and Clinton would have ended up the pals they are?
And a Clinton Presidency.
You can call it whatever makes you feel better.
The fact is Perot only picked up what Bush ignored and left on the table.
“Read my lips, no new taxes”.
BTW, without Reagan, there never would have been President HW Bush.
Reagan did not need Bush, Bush needed Reagan.
Take your revisionist history and stuff it.
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