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Vladimir Putin and the thousands of the Russian foreign national unlawful combatants and agents he has ordered into the sovereign state of Ukraine.
Posted on 05/04/2014 10:00:09 AM PDT by Mariner
ODESSA, Ukraine (AP) — Hundreds of pro-Russian demonstrators stormed police headquarters in Odessa on Sunday and won the release of 67 people detained after deadly clashes in the Ukrainian port city.
More than 40 people died in the riots two days earlier, some from gunshot wounds, but most in a horrific fire that tore through a trade union building.
Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who hinted strongly that he saw Moscow's hand in the unrest spreading through southeastern Ukraine, visited Odessa on Sunday to try to defuse the mounting tensions.
Odessa is the major city between the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia annexed in March, and the Moldovan separatist region of Trans-Dniester, where Russia has a military peacekeeping contingent.
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I believe their argument is that Yanukovych and his party deceived the electorate.
And they were systematically looting the country for the benefit of Russian mobsters. That has been pretty well demonstrated.
Dang. Your post gave me chills. Living in this muck and watching things unfold a world away, I haven’t notice how close we are to arriving at that level of cruelty. Here we are.
I like how everyone who isn’t killing people for Putin are Right Sector.
The thing is, that happens all the time in a democracy. You would be hard pressed to find a US president who didn’t lie in the campaign about what he would do. Bush promised a “humble” foreign policy that didn’t involve unnecessary wars. Bush senior said “no new taxes.” Obama implied that he would do away with mass surveillance of the American people, then defended it after it was exposed as being even worse than we thought.
Russia was offering a much, much more generous deal than the EU was that would have been better for Ukraine’s economy and for the people’s standard of living IN THE SHORT TERM. As president, Yanukovych had the right to take that offer. There was nothing illegal or unconstitutional about that. US and EU actions emboldened the protesters, who started getting very violent and attacking the police with deadly weapons when the police were still being extremely lenient. This was a classic provocation strategy, where one side attacks the other repeatedly and then freaks out and cries “I’m a victim” when the other side finally fights back.
Everyone in the world can see that the US worked to destabilize Ukraine and orchestrated a coup. That’s a mainstream, widely accepted truth among educated people who follow the news everywhere. Maybe it was the right thing to do, maybe not, but there is no denying that’s what happened. Our leaders are acting like they have a monopoly on information and that people will just accept their rather absurd black/white narrative on the matter.
We need leaders who understand that things don’t work like that these days.
Here's the Timeline of the Euromaidan.
I don't think that you're describing the events accurately. The first violence occurred the night of Nov. 30th by Berkut special police units. That was also the night the Yanukovich administration suppressed cell phone service.
Get real. Protesters attacking government building in DC and throwing molotov cocktails would have been machine gunned by the hundreds. Police were exceptionally restrained in Kiev, because they understood the provocation strategy being used. The provocateurs among the protesters kept upping the ante.
Look at what happen to one women in DC who was unarmed and not threatening anyone but simply acting strangely:
Imagine protesters trying to storm the White House because they don’t like NAFTA, hardcore neo-Nazi skinheads leading the charge. The secret service would use gatling guns on them.
Stop!
Your "get real" comment is ironic.
You didn't address my post.
The first violence occurred the night of Nov. 30th by Berkut special police units. That was also the night the Yanukovich administration suppressed cell phone service.
There was NO occupation of government buildings at that time.
Oh horse hockey
You can watch the videos and on the same film clip whoever shot it points the camera one way and there are people helping those in the building escape then points in another direction and there are uniformed police shooting at the people trying to escape. Point somewhere else, and there are police protecting the people escaping from the mob trying to get at them and point in another direction and there are people kicking and beating people who escape.
There clearly were elements in the mob that wanted to let the people in the building burn to death.
And his citizens had the right to protest. He didn't have to shoot them.
People who “protested” in the same manner in the US would have been shot long, long before anyone was shot Ukraine.
Throw a molotov cocktail at police guarding the White House and see what happens to you.
Before or after the president issues an executive order outlawing your protest, and sends goons to shoot you?
Second point you’ve conceded.
I’m conceding nothing. If you can’t respond, don’t bother.
When the Army units they sent east start defecting I bet that will be due to their not being ethnically pure enough. Or is there some other BS already planned for that eventuality like the "the Parachute Brigade flew a Separatist flag to fool the crowds" the day before the unit was dis-banned?
(And wasn't it you who assured everyone that if Kiev said that's what happened anyone who didn't believe it was a "Putinista", or something of the sort?)
Are you sure it was the IMF? I thought it was George Soros and Monsanto.
It wouldn’t matter when you threw molotov cocktails at the police guarding the White House, they would shoot you every time. You’re question was totally stupid.
So back to my original question: how often does the Secret Service shoot peaceful protestors?
When they are part of a huge mob, many of whom are armed and attacking police, all kinds of people can get shot. Remember, police were shot in the fracas as well.
Now when are you going to admit that the police in Ukraine showed extreme restraint in dealing with people who were literally setting them on fire for months until things blew up at the end?
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I think it was the German press that first reported what the IMF dictated to Kiev and the news services all carried the story. One day the IMF tells Kiev they'd better use whatever force was necessary to regain control of the East or their loans to the Ukraine would be reconsidered. The next day Kiev sent troops east with orders to use whatever force necessary to get the protesters out of the streets.
Even the propaganda rag in Kiev carried the story so apparently the propaganda rag you so frequently quote is not trustworthy, right?
Now, if you want pretend that's a conspiracy theory you go right ahead.
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