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44th anniversary of Kent State shooting: victims and students remember May 4th, 1970 shooting
Newsnet5 Cleveland ^ | 05-04-2014 | Michael Baldwin

Posted on 05/04/2014 7:40:43 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016

KENT, Ohio - A large crowd gathered just after 11 p.m. Saturday behind the Taylor Hall at Kent State University to honor the fallen. The crowd stood near the Victory Bell holding candles in remembrance of May 4th, 1970.

It was 44 years ago that four students were killed after 67 shots were fired in 13 seconds by the National Guard.

The students were pushed over to the parking lot of Prentice Hall as they were protesting the Vietnam War.

Students and volunteers are still standing in the parking lot area where the four students died. The students will stand there for 12 hours honoring the victims in the very spot where they were shot and killed.

Around 7 p.m. Saturday, a forum was held where survivors answered questions and spoke about the day they will never forget.

"To me, May 4th means life, but it also means death and murder," said Dean Kahler, who was shot and will never walk again.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsnet5.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 1970; 197005; 19700504; anniversary; college; kent; kentstate; kentstateuniversity; nationalguard; ohio; shooting; university
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To: wardaddy

Believe me, no National Guardsman would ever shoot an attractive young girl for baring her breasts - just would never happen.


101 posted on 05/05/2014 2:09:06 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: lightman
Not all of the protestors were unarmed. A pistol bullet was pulled from a house behind the national guardsmen. It looks to me like an Alinskyite may have kicked things off. You do remember the Weather Underground, right?

Within two days, attendees of a Jane Fonda speech at UNM staged a night attack on the AFROTC building.

102 posted on 05/05/2014 4:04:23 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: PA Engineer

It’s very tragic that a few innocent people are caught in the crossfire of an armed conflict, but this conflict was brought and escalated entirely by the anarchist scum SDS radicals. Every death should properly be laid at their guilty feet.


103 posted on 05/05/2014 4:43:29 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I can’t find anywhere that she became a prostitute but by all accounts, she did have a troubled and mostly unhappy life. However, I did not realize she was a 14-year-old runaway until years after the 1970 incident. I always assumed she was one of the college students.


104 posted on 05/05/2014 6:56:11 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

It was on a news report years ago about what happened to those kids after Kent State. She agreed to have sex for money in her late teens.


105 posted on 05/05/2014 7:07:32 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: ansel12

N0, at that time I was a civilian employee of the D.C. Metropolitan Police, answering letters for the Chief of Police. I had to ride bus into and out of the city during the disturbances (as I recall, the more radical of the protestors had vowed to ‘shut the city - and the Federal Government - down’ by disrupting public transportation); I carried a rolled up newspaper on the way home in case I needed to defend myself. I was warned by a uniformed officer in our office to be careful of using it, because the police had been briefed to regard such as a weapon, and to treat anyone carrying such as armed and potentially hostile.

I pulled my riot duty with the Guard earlier, at the U of MD, when we were called out with no provisions or rations, either. My unit was a Scout Plt., we had jeeps, and sent out for KFC by the bucket to feed ourselves. The planners had forgotten to include food for large numbers of persons, either troops or prisoners. No doubt the D.C. National Guard experienced the same failure to plan, and likewise took matters into their own hands, for themselves and the detainees they were guarding.


106 posted on 05/05/2014 7:11:28 AM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: octex

re: “Agree with your entire posting. No regrets here for the shootings.

I was 27 at the time in ‘70, finished my military obligation in ‘65, divorced, 6 yo daughter, working full time and going to night school. ....I NEVER understood the stupid college students protesting and rioting for communist ideals. Even in early ‘70s, I was going to a university full time and there were all the hippie/pot head/protester types there. Most were in late teens or early 20s. ....I felt like an old man among them because they were so childish and so easily swayed; yet, I had barely reached the age of 30.”

Thank you for your service to the country. I had two friends who joined the Marines (they were brothers) in the late 60’s. One of them volunteered for two tours of duty in Vietnam. I met them while working at an airport as linemen (glorified gas station attendants for airplanes) and they always had interesting views of the whole situation there - which was (to use a phrase from “Saving Private Ryan”) basically that is was FUBAR.

My impression of college was that most of the students just wanted to finish school and do their thing, but the campus “newspaper” was filled with leftwing idiots who were always printing outlandish stuff to get attention.


107 posted on 05/05/2014 7:37:09 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: VietVet

At the time, I was very impressed with the professionalism of the DC police, I was from Houston and was amazed how little violence came from DC metro, I had never seen cops that didn’t express their feelings with beatings, as a normal part of police routine.


108 posted on 05/05/2014 7:46:06 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Ah yes.... the Weather Underground and SDS... and Wade Rathke... Mr. ACORN....


109 posted on 05/05/2014 9:24:17 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: The_Media_never_lie

You got that right

Most recounts show a sergeant for whatever reason opened fire and in follow up so did about one third of the guardsmen....note only about one third saw fit to fire which is telling enough

I am unaware of any report or study done on the event from any persuasion justifying the shootings

The Jackson State shooting two weeks later did involve live fire from protestors and spent ammo was later found

It was black radicals versus US Marshalls and Mississippi Highway Patrol

I was in my 7th grade under forced busing in a junior high school very close to there....maybe one mile

In a school that had just gone from white to 70% black....loads of fun

My folks took me private after that.

Moral of Kent State is two things....govt can kill you even if you are unarmed and get away with it....back then if you were a hippie.....today if you are a eighty

Also....never bring rocks to a gunfight

PS ....don’t trust a scared man with a gun not to shoot


110 posted on 05/05/2014 10:35:49 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: mylife

I love mini skirts ...in sexy parts of the country.

.Miami.....Dallas ....girls still wear them

Thank u Lord


111 posted on 05/05/2014 10:37:56 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: PaulCruz2016
Larry Niven:

"Don't throw sh*t at people with guns".

"Don't stand next to people throwing sh*t at people with guns".

112 posted on 05/05/2014 11:26:32 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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