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Female Marine Pullup Failure Doesn't Mean Women Aren't Strong
The Federalist ^ | January 3, 2014 | Mollie Hemingway

Posted on 05/22/2014 5:30:04 PM PDT by QT3.14

The Associated Press reports:

More than half of female Marines in boot camp can't do three pullups, the minimum standard that was supposed to take effect with the new year, prompting the Marine Corps to delay the requirement, part of the process of equalizing physical standards to integrate women into combat jobs.

The delay rekindled sharp debate in the military on the question of whether women have the physical strength for some military jobs, as service branches move toward opening thousands of combat roles to them in 2016.

(Excerpt) Read more at thefederalist.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: equality; military; usmc; women
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...women give birth...It is an impressive feat of strength. Women also nurse their babies, which is fraught with problems ranging from mastitis to thrush. Women display physical strength in many ways, from athletic prowess to working jobs requiring them to be on their feet all day.

What the hell does that have to do with the ability to carry a wounded comrade, or carry a heavy load in rugged terrain?

It seems DOD started the dumbing-down with Jessica Lynch when the U.S. Army awarded her the Bronze Star for distinguishing herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service consisting of this:


1 posted on 05/22/2014 5:30:04 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

God help us, fanaticism rules the day.


2 posted on 05/22/2014 5:31:34 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: QT3.14

Nope, just not as strong as men.


3 posted on 05/22/2014 5:32:22 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: QT3.14

It just means she’ll die if her life depends on pulling herself up.


4 posted on 05/22/2014 5:33:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: QT3.14

okay when we need people’to give bith in a combat zone we’ve got it covered. i think injured soldiers would rather have people around that have upper body strength to lug them out of harm’s way than ones with impressive uterine abilities.


5 posted on 05/22/2014 5:33:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: cripplecreek

Or someone else will die if she can’t pull them up.


6 posted on 05/22/2014 5:34:01 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: QT3.14

This has to be satire.


7 posted on 05/22/2014 5:34:09 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: QT3.14

I guess according to the new standards being a female fk-up and exposing your fellow troops to danger so they can bail your ass out warrants a Bronze Star. The ladies must be so proud of themselves.....


8 posted on 05/22/2014 5:34:33 PM PDT by clintonh8r (I wish no harm on Gen. Shinseki, but perhaps he should consider seppuku.....)
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To: QT3.14

“OMG” she survived... that gets a medal...

Somehow I cannot bring myself to imagine how John McCain or Mitt Romney could have pulled the services so low. Lukewarm/compromising or not.

If you want social programs, sponsor the Peace Corps. But don’t look to the Army, Air Force, Navy or Marines.


9 posted on 05/22/2014 5:35:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: QT3.14

they also ignore how totally vulnerable a woman is giving birth. and that most in developed countries do it with a whole support team around them. oh well back to ignoring reality.


10 posted on 05/22/2014 5:35:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: QT3.14

Mollie, you’re a brainwashed idiot.


11 posted on 05/22/2014 5:35:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I think women have combat nursing licked.


12 posted on 05/22/2014 5:35:36 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Rebelbase

pun intended?


13 posted on 05/22/2014 5:36:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: QT3.14

I sure as hell hope one of these fine male devil dogs don’t find themselves in need of a firemans carry due to wounds in combat and the only option is a female Marine. God help this country if the Corps hasn’t flushed this craps out of its system. I guess my Corps is a kinder gentler one


14 posted on 05/22/2014 5:38:20 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: Secret Agent Man

When women die in greater percentages and their comrades die in greater percentages will anyone hold these insane LIB asshats responsible? No. Never mind. LIBs are mentally ill and need to be segregated from civil society.


15 posted on 05/22/2014 5:39:12 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: QT3.14

Put a company of women against a company of men with the same ordnance, guess who wins?


16 posted on 05/22/2014 5:39:43 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Don't tell me, I'll tell you.)
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To: cripplecreek

and others that depend on her making it over that wall, could very well die as well.


17 posted on 05/22/2014 5:40:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: cuban leaf
This has to be satire.

You have to read the entire article. The writer isn't quite as vapid as the excerpt would suggest.

18 posted on 05/22/2014 5:41:04 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Jarhead9297

When I was in WM’s had to meet exactly the same physical standards.


19 posted on 05/22/2014 5:41:31 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: cripplecreek

It means that the womyn who have been allowed into front line combat will be worked up the chain to be commanders because they have time on the front lines.

Never mind the fact that we will never face another army that has womyn in the front lines.

Never mind that we will have to subject womyn to the VA.


20 posted on 05/22/2014 5:41:48 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is now the CPUSA)
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To: Jarhead9297

personally i don’t believe corp leadership is for this. i believe it’s being forced on them by president mom jeans.


21 posted on 05/22/2014 5:42:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: QT3.14
read further into the article..I read it as the writer agrees with you. headline is mis-leading to me.
22 posted on 05/22/2014 5:43:05 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama ----> Fredo smart)
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To: cripplecreek
It just means she’ll die if her life depends on pulling herself up.

Yep. Soldiers never need to climb over walls, quickly climb out of the top hatch of an APC, or any other activity that involves being able to lift your own weight. /S

23 posted on 05/22/2014 5:43:05 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Texas resident

might be the only way the va actually gets better. of course it may only improve for females, given how govt half-asses everything.


24 posted on 05/22/2014 5:43:16 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: QT3.14

Even Lynch considered herself to be a show puppet they used for PR purposes.

If this had of occurred during Obama’s years, I would not think much of it. But that President Bush allowed this on his watch is disturbing to me.

Lying for PR purposes is bad, bad, bad....! Nothing new though. Ira Hayes...one of the Marines that raised the flag on Iwo Jima is an example from WWII.


25 posted on 05/22/2014 5:45:51 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: QT3.14

Humans are sexually dimorphic. Men have significantly more upper body strength. This is important in many endeavors, and breaking things and killing people as part of an organized group is right up there at the top of the list where this is so.

Liberals would have us ignore biology and sacrifice our military prowess, and more importantly our troops on the ground, to the gods of Political Correctness.


26 posted on 05/22/2014 5:46:06 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: PapaBear3625

The standard obstacle course required a lot of upper body strength. How about hoisting a 90 pound pack up on your back in a hurry. How about carrying your 230 lb buddy in a fireman carry in an outright run.

This PC garbage will get a lot of good men and women dead.


27 posted on 05/22/2014 5:46:36 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is now the CPUSA)
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To: QT3.14

When are they required to sign up for Selective Service? Uh, huh. Thought so.


28 posted on 05/22/2014 5:47:01 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: QT3.14

She should have never been in that position in the first place.


29 posted on 05/22/2014 5:47:29 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: QT3.14

Just because I can’t throw a football accurately doesn’t mean I’m not competitive.. ( huh? ) /s


30 posted on 05/22/2014 5:47:46 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Lurker

There was a time in the Marine corps when the female standards and the male standards were the same?

When was that?


31 posted on 05/22/2014 5:49:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It is a known fact that menses synchronizes when women are grouped together. Another thing to take into account.


32 posted on 05/22/2014 5:49:40 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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33 posted on 05/22/2014 5:49:47 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: QT3.14
Playing with dolls doesn't grow muscles!
34 posted on 05/22/2014 5:51:50 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’d certainly like to believe you and I hope you are right. I am suspicious thought because just like under Clinton many brass resigned their commission. Those that remained either looked past it or believed in him. I suspect the latter with this bafoon of a pRESIDENT


35 posted on 05/22/2014 5:52:03 PM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: QT3.14

Just give them a 100 LB box of tools for aircraft maintenance to lug around and tell them to shut up and carry it themselves...

that’s what happened when I was in the USAF years ago...

they opened up the aircraft mechanics jobs to women and the next thing you know its the guys complaining..

the women were moaning that the guys wouldn’t be nice gentlemen and carry the females heavy gear...as well as their own...

and the grease was just ruining their manicures :)

True story

LOL


36 posted on 05/22/2014 5:53:28 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
When are they required to sign up for Selective Service? Uh, huh. Thought so.

I boil when I hear PSA's on the radio reminding men to register and failure to do so will result in no federal student loans or employment. There may be more.

Where are the gals DEMANDING equality!!!

37 posted on 05/22/2014 5:53:36 PM PDT by QT3.14 (USA born 7.4.1776 fathered by geniuses, died 11.4.2008 (Suicide) by spawn of America-haters)
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What the hell does that have to do with the ability to carry a wounded comrade, or carry a heavy load in rugged terrain?

You are not appropriate for high office or a policy making position in the DOD.

When I was 48 years old I was at P.I. one weekend. I went to the obstacle course rope and climbed it to the top arms only, no legs. So if some 19 year woman can't do a few pull ups, we're supposed let other's lives depend on her in combat?

"I'm sorry Mrs. Smith, your son died because the only other infantryman there was a woman who was a champ at giving birth but she couldn't drag or carry him to safety because she didn't have the requisite upper body strength for her job.....which was NOT giving birth."

38 posted on 05/22/2014 5:53:38 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: QT3.14

Prezactly!


39 posted on 05/22/2014 5:55:03 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Jarhead9297

honestly they have little choice to implement if, if ordered to do so. many have resigned, but who wants to do that, and it won’t change libtards doing tis.


40 posted on 05/22/2014 5:57:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: QT3.14
What the hell does that have to do with the ability to carry a wounded comrade, or carry a heavy load in rugged terrain?

Nothing.

Also, the "women give birth" thing. I'm not sure how much "strength" that really shows. Honestly, labor begins and it does not stop until you are done. And, man, I really recommend an epidural for it. (Yes, I admit that pain and I are not friends, my first child took 22 hours of labor, and I needed drugs.)

41 posted on 05/22/2014 6:00:01 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: QT3.14

Before reacting to the excerpt, y’all might want to read the whole article.

Her position actually makes a lot of sense.


42 posted on 05/22/2014 6:02:20 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Do you agree with her closing statement? (I’d post it, but this is the AP)


43 posted on 05/22/2014 6:04:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Absolutely.


44 posted on 05/22/2014 6:06:54 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sola Veritas
Ira Hayes...one of the Marines that raised the flag on Iwo Jima is an example from WWII.

How so?

45 posted on 05/22/2014 6:08:28 PM PDT by xone
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To: Sherman Logan

I’m a bit over-tired, but still..


46 posted on 05/22/2014 6:08:57 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: clintonh8r

She wasn’t the hero the Army claimed, but she certainly wasn’t the “f%ck up” you say she was. She was seriously injured in the HMMWV crash and was never in any position to affect the outcome of the firefight.


47 posted on 05/22/2014 6:10:03 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: dainbramaged

I see 5’2”, 120 lb women beat up 6’2”, 220 lb guys in the movies all the time . . . so they must be able to do it in real life.


48 posted on 05/22/2014 6:15:46 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

hehe

5’2” and 120 pounds is pretty chunky for the movies.


49 posted on 05/22/2014 6:19:51 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: QT3.14

50 posted on 05/22/2014 6:20:50 PM PDT by Rodamala
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