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Lawmakers & interest groups clash as Obama prepares to announce performance standard for power plant
Fox News ^ | 5/29/2014 | Doug McKelway

Posted on 05/29/2014 1:21:40 AM PDT by markomalley

Lawmakers and Washington interest groups are engaged in a battle over whether looming EPA rules will help or hurt as President Obama prepares to announce a highly anticipated performance standard for power plants June 2.

The proposed standard will require existing natural gas and coal-fired power plants to release no more than 1,000 pounds of CO2 per megawatt-hour of electricity - easily done with natural gas but unobtainable by present day coal plants.

Although coal still provides almost 40 percent of U.S. electricity, the White House's new point man on energy, John Podesta, said Wednesday that climate change necessitates coal’s demise. "President Obama believes we have a moral obligation to act now to curb climate change," he said.

While Podesta affirmed the president's commitment to address climate change, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce was releasing a study that found the new standard will result in the loss of 224,000 jobs every year through 2030 and impose $50 billion in annual costs.

"The American household will lose $586 billion of disposable income. That means a household losing over $3,400 of income they'd otherwise be spending on something else," said Karen Harbert of the Chamber of Commerce.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: climatechange; co2; energy; epa; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; tyranny

"Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket"

1 posted on 05/29/2014 1:21:40 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: All

Well, all you union coal miners who already lost your jobs can now join your friends and family as they lose their jobs. Then you’ll all have plenty of time to go down on election day and vote for some more democrats.


2 posted on 05/29/2014 1:32:17 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: markomalley

3 posted on 05/29/2014 1:32:29 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: All

when this was reported by fox as a possibility about 3 years ago, I called ed markeys office and the young man who took my call said “fox lies”.


4 posted on 05/29/2014 1:33:33 AM PDT by willywill
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To: markomalley

The EPA is an illegal Government operation not allowed by the Constitution!!


5 posted on 05/29/2014 1:36:20 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: markomalley
Soon the Democrats will be asking people to KILL THEMSELVES!

WTF America, THIS IS INSANITY!!!

6 posted on 05/29/2014 1:38:43 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: VerySadAmerican
Well, all you union coal miners who already lost your jobs can now join your friends and family as they lose their jobs. Then you’ll all have plenty of time to go down on election day and vote for some more democrats.

It would be nice if the Dhims would be the ones who have the electricity blackouts.

7 posted on 05/29/2014 1:40:11 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: sneakers

bttt


8 posted on 05/29/2014 1:47:10 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: Liberty Valance

Exactly. He’s an idiot.


9 posted on 05/29/2014 1:49:33 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: markomalley

This is satire, right?

The folly of closing working coal plants, while seeing them built abroad in the name of global warming and special interest groups makes just no economic sense. No wonder our country is in the economic malaise.


10 posted on 05/29/2014 2:05:16 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
"The folly of closing working coal plants, while seeing them built abroad in the name of global warming and special interest groups makes just no economic sense. No wonder our country is in the economic malaise."

It makes perfect sense if you intend to bring down the US and enslave its population. Obama loves our enemies and believes the US should pay for all its past sins as he sees them. He is the head of a coup that has overthrown America.

11 posted on 05/29/2014 2:33:36 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: markomalley
...we have a moral obligation to act now to curb climate change...

Pure BS. We're supposed to believe in a one-size-fits-all solution to a 'problem' that's so vague it can't be quantified scientifically. I'm still waiting to hear whether we're warming up or cooling down.
This is just another scheme to weaken the US.
12 posted on 05/29/2014 2:49:20 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
The folly of closing working coal plants, while seeing them built abroad...

China is so much better at controlling pollution don'tcha know? Those pictures of air pollution in China were actually taken in the mountains of West Virginia.

For real I wish our side would be hollering this - why aren't they putting forth a cohesive counter-argument?

13 posted on 05/29/2014 3:04:10 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: markomalley

A power and money grab plain and simple. This is insanity.


14 posted on 05/29/2014 3:18:38 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: willywill

You should call back in, recount that conversation, and rub their noses in it.


15 posted on 05/29/2014 3:19:53 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
This is satire, right? The folly of closing working coal plants, while seeing them built abroad in the name of global warming and special interest groups makes just no economic sense. No wonder our country is in the economic malaise.

TVA can't even afford to keep up with the standards. Every upgrade they do the EPA adds more rules. TVA is closing down coal fired steam plants. They aren't building new ones either. Our energy policies are being written by fools who have no real concept of affordable and economically feasible energy. They have their Kindergarten ideas of Hocus Pocus no more coal, no more Nuke, no more this, no more that, but they have no viable alternatives which can meet the power demands needed to run this nations homes and industries.

16 posted on 05/29/2014 3:29:51 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: markomalley

Yo. Way, way passed time for some performance standards for government flunkies, starting with Odumbo.


17 posted on 05/29/2014 3:47:45 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: FreedomPoster

CO2 is PLANT FOOD! What morons Americans are to go along with this scam...


18 posted on 05/29/2014 3:53:31 AM PDT by Shady (We will not comply. We are Free, We Are AMERICANS!)
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To: MaxMax

The Green Agenda Is About Getting Rid Of As Many Humans As Possible

Most people tend to think of environmentalists as warm, cuddly hippies that just want all of us to love one another and to do what is right for the environment. And in fact, there are a few people out there who are actually like that. However, the people at the very heart of the green agenda are a quite different breed. The truth is that there are a growing number of environmental activists (including some very, very famous people) who are publicly advocating the end of our freedoms, the establishment of a Big Brother style world government and the systematic eradication of at least 90% of humanity all for the good of the environment. Unfortunately, this is not a joke and it is not an exaggeration. As you will see below, these people are very, very serious. To these eco-fascists, climate change is the number one threat to the earth, and in order to eliminate that threat “democracy must be put on hold”, an authoritarian world government must be established and we need to start getting rid of as many humans as possible.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-green-agenda-is-about-getting-rid-of-as-many-humans-as-possible


19 posted on 05/29/2014 4:31:26 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: markomalley

Here it comes bend over.


20 posted on 05/29/2014 4:31:47 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: markomalley

Types of coal don’t make that much difference in the amount of CO2 they release. Of the 3 major types, on average they produce 2.14 pounds of CO2 per kilowatt hour kWh of electricity. (From eia.gov website http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&t=11)

Natural gas, despite the impression given by Obama, DOES release CO2 into the atmosphere. For that same kWh of electricity, natural gas releases 1.22 pounds of CO2.

The difference is: 57%.

So, in this article Obama is going to cause economic mayhem for America, so that, instead of 1000 pounds of CO2 being introduced into the atmosphere, we release 570 pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Meanwhile, China, India, Southeast Asia, and most of the developing world, and lots of the developed world, are not buying this stuff. They are driving on full speed ahead with coal. (Which they buy from us for the most part...pure hypocrisy on Obama’s part who knows this.)

IIRC, a megawatt hour is enough to power 100,000 homes for a year. Assuming we have 3 people per home in America, that means 100,000,000 homes will produce 500 tons of CO2 a year using coal, and will use 285 tons using natural gas.

In the meantime, the rest of the world (if using at our rate) is using 10000 tons, and Obama’s dumb economic move will reduce that by 215 to 9785 tons.

By the way, if you had 10,000 tons of water that would be about 2.5 million gallons of water. There’s a swimming pool in Chili that holds 66 million gallons of water, and there’s a not so large one in south Florida that holds 700,000 gallons of water. A pool that’s 5 feet deep, 400 feet long, and 200 feet wide would hold 2.5 million gallons of water.

That’s the same weight as ALL of the CO2 released by the world in a year in producing power for 6 billion people if all were producing at the same rate as the US (which they probably aren’t.)

Enough to fill a not so deep swimming pool that’s not a whole lot bigger than a football field.

And that is causing the polar caps to melt, the seas to rise, destruction and death for all of us.

I’m calling BS on that.


21 posted on 05/29/2014 5:12:56 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: VerySadAmerican

“...all you union coal miners who already lost your jobs can now join your friends and family as they lose their jobs. Then you’ll all have plenty of time to go down on election day and vote for some more democrats.”

Don’t blame them! You should see the anti-Obama billboards in coal country.


22 posted on 05/29/2014 5:20:21 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: cva66snipe

Oh they understand the economics quite well. Their goal is to reduce energy consumption at any cost.


23 posted on 05/29/2014 5:34:42 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: markomalley
The U.S. has unlimited amounts of coal

The communists/democrats and Obama are destroying the coal industry for a hoax called global warming. this proves government is unaccountable, and a cancer that must be abolished

global warming is a hoax democrats created to justify the existence and growth of government(socialism)

There is nothing wrong with using coal. CO2 emissions cause nothing

we should be using this coal to lower energy costs for consumers and businesses .

24 posted on 05/29/2014 11:45:10 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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25 posted on 05/29/2014 1:14:37 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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To: Liberty Valance

What a great business plan! How about harvesting the eagles killed at wind farms to sell as gormet endangered species delicacy meat?


26 posted on 05/31/2014 6:17:18 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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