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Cruz Calls for Anti-Ballistic Missiles System in Ukraine
Breitbart ^ | 28 May 2014

Posted on 05/30/2014 12:45:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

Wednesday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) talking with "Radio Liberty" on Radio Free Europe said America must stand against Russia's "acts of war" in Ukraine. Cruz said the United States should give the Ukrainian people "the tools and equipment necessary to defend themselves." The Texas junior senator also said it's time to install anti-ballistic missiles in Eastern Europe now and eventually in the Ukraine.

Cruz's call for an Eastern Europe missile-defense system is similar to a proposal by President George W. Bush as a deterrent to Russian President Vladimir Putin's aggression in Georgia in 2008. Bush's plan was abandon by President Barack Obama in 2009...

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1 posted on 05/30/2014 12:45:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Obama doesn’t even want ballistic missile defense in the US.


2 posted on 05/30/2014 12:47:53 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SoConPubbie; killermosquito; tpmintx; TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig; Caipirabob; Clump; ColdOne; ...
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3 posted on 05/30/2014 12:48:08 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Cruz is very Reagan like.

We will need to follow the weak/libertarian foreign policy style of Obama, with someone who knows how to protect America.


4 posted on 05/30/2014 12:48:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: SoConPubbie

The US needs to make up its mind concerning Ukraine.

Quite obviously, Russia is trying to pull it apart. Does US have the gumption and glue to put it back together again or at least keep it from falling apart worse? Not under Obama it doesn’t, and Cruz should IMHO try not to be cruel by giving Ukraine false hopes.

I’m not sure what any modern ABM system could do against a heavy barrage of missiles. Onesy-twosy missiles such as from Iran or North Korea are one question. Russian missiles are another, if Russia gets that reckless.


5 posted on 05/30/2014 12:49:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ansel12

Not even Carter was this malicious.


6 posted on 05/30/2014 12:50:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Sorry Ted. You lost me with that one. We have WAY too much repair work to be done here at home.


7 posted on 05/30/2014 12:50:33 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

If Ukraine can pay for it


8 posted on 05/30/2014 12:51:46 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

They do have some oil fields. Bring modern fracking to them and they might be looking pretty.


9 posted on 05/30/2014 12:52:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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10 posted on 05/30/2014 12:53:34 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: SoConPubbie

Where’s the Misleading Headline Alert?


11 posted on 05/30/2014 12:54:59 PM PDT by McGruff (What if I told you your leaders were lying to you?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

If the Ukraine wants a ballistic missile defense system then let them buy it from us.


12 posted on 05/30/2014 12:55:11 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SoConPubbie

Paid for by whom? China? How about a foreign war tax?


13 posted on 05/30/2014 12:58:07 PM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: SoConPubbie

I like Ted Cruz, but I don’t think this is a good idea. Something about not poking bears. They need to work this out amongst themselves.


14 posted on 05/30/2014 1:01:00 PM PDT by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: SoConPubbie

I’m disappointed. Cruz should stay out of it.


15 posted on 05/30/2014 1:04:17 PM PDT by grania
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To: HiTech RedNeck

True, Carter and JFK shared his incompetence, but this is the first time that we have seen this actual hardcore maliciousness from a president, although JFK did also have an anti-American (people) view which is what caused his goal to replace us with immigration, and even Carter shared a view of America as something that needed to be curbed, and that the world needed protection from.


16 posted on 05/30/2014 1:06:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: grania
I’m disappointed. Cruz should stay out of it.

I'm not.

Staying out of it, the preferred choice of those supporting the Pauls, Libertarians, and Neville Chamberlain, is what allows World Wars to start and ultimately gets us into World Wars.
17 posted on 05/30/2014 1:07:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
"Staying out of it, the preferred choice of those supporting the Pauls, Libertarians, and Neville Chamberlain, is what allows World Wars to start and ultimately gets us into World Wars. "

Ya think this isn't WW III? It's like our taking our Iraq when our enemy is Iran. It's taking out Russia when our enemy is Islam and China.

18 posted on 05/30/2014 1:14:33 PM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Can’t go along with Cruz on this one.


19 posted on 05/30/2014 1:14:47 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Hard to believe Cruz would even mention missiles in Ukraine, though that was apparently one of the agreements Keiv Gov had to agree on for our backing of their revolution and establishing their temporary Governance.

Putting missles there would be like Russia’s move on Cuba.....no doubt Putin would retaliate in some way.


20 posted on 05/30/2014 1:22:24 PM PDT by caww
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To: Timber Rattler

.....”Can’t go along with Cruz on this one”....

Me neither... like adding wood to a fire to even make the statement at this time.


21 posted on 05/30/2014 1:23:53 PM PDT by caww
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To: SoConPubbie

I will vote for Cruz in the primary (especially if Walker doesn’t run) if he says and not only will we have an Anti-Ballistic Missiles System in Ukraine, but I am taking those stupid solar panels down at OUR house the following day after the Inaugural.


22 posted on 05/30/2014 1:28:33 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Cruz needs to leave foreign policy alone, he hasn’t a clue.


23 posted on 05/30/2014 1:31:05 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: All

Screw a bunch of anti ballistic missiles like what we were going to give to the Polish. Instead send 1000 Stingers and 2000 man portable counter armor/vehicle weapons. Let Putin walk into a shit storm of anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons.


24 posted on 05/30/2014 1:32:28 PM PDT by Holdem Or Foldem (Life isn't fair, so wear a cup.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I would not want to give US tech to the Ukrainians. Too close to Russia.


25 posted on 05/30/2014 1:33:37 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: fortheDeclaration
Cruz needs to leave foreign policy alone, he hasn’t a clue.

Nawww.

It's Libertarians and the supporters of Ron and Rand Paul that don't have a clue concerning Foreign Policy and should leave it to people willing to pull their heads out of the sand.
26 posted on 05/30/2014 1:41:41 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: GeronL

One thing I have to give fiscal conservative (obviously a social moderate or lib), Donald Trump.
He was furious that we did not take payment in oil for liberating the people of Iraq from saddam Hussein. Boy, we don’t know how to play the game, we just bend over and take it even when we win.


27 posted on 05/30/2014 1:44:36 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

So, did Reagan have a clue when he proposed a missile shield?


28 posted on 05/30/2014 1:45:38 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
Staying out of it, the preferred choice of those supporting the Pauls, Libertarians, and Neville Chamberlain, is what allows World Wars to start and ultimately gets us into World Wars

Agreed. The Libertarianish, 1930's style isolationist foreign policy has long since been discredited. It is even more laughably useless in todays globalized world.

Cruz strikes me as in the mold of Reagan. Fiscal conservative with a strong foreign and defense policy. He actually stands strong for values that will give moral support to people fighting for freedom all over the world - from Venezuela, to Iran, and even China, Russia and elsewhere.

29 posted on 05/30/2014 3:28:36 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: caww

Russia wouldn’t be protecting Western Civilization from an evil empire by putting missiles in Cuba, instead it would be just what it was last time, evil, from an evil empire building, nation.


30 posted on 05/30/2014 5:00:47 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Longbow1969

Cruz is a social conservative, a normal, regular conservative, all three legs, a Reagan conservative.


31 posted on 05/30/2014 5:03:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: SoConPubbie

Make no mistake, KGB Putin’s terrorist war against Ukraine is areally a war against the USA and western civilization. All patriotic Americans should stand with Ted Cruz and Ukraine against Neo-Soviet Russia.


32 posted on 05/30/2014 5:09:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ansel12

Well of course...Russia’s leadership will never be other than what it is. Just as when they put missiles in Cuba..they knew how they would play that in the end....we poked the bear and it retaliated...it always will when pushed far another.

We’re poking the Bear now....and this time it poked back....they knew that it would from the get go. Just like they knew it in Egypt and In Libya and Syria.

Political war will always cause death and destruction for the man on the street no matter how or why these nations go about their power struggles....peoples lives are simply collateral damage...and they all push until the International cry is loud enough.


33 posted on 05/30/2014 10:10:25 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

The reason I went back into the military in 1983 was because I was so excited about Reagan “poking the bear”, I really wanted to serve under that man who knew how to face evil.

It was scary, and believe me, it was really tense under Reagan, but we had to stand up to them to save Europe and Western Civilization, in 1979 some of us were predicting that Carter’s mistakes would result in nuclear war around 1984/85, Reagan closed that window.

We need a leader, not someone who keeps warning us about “poking the bear” and lives in fear of annoying the enemy, until the pissy little bear has managed to overcome our advantages and alliances and eventually realigns things to his advantage.


34 posted on 05/30/2014 10:39:09 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12
....”We need a leader, not someone who keeps warning us about “poking the bear” and lives in fear of annoying the enemy”....

Things have changed and war is no longer fought in the same way now......Putin certainly revealed his hand, when he took Crimea, just how that will be done by the super powers. Make no mistake our Military was watching his moves very carefully. It was interesting listening to the Nato Commanders and others comment about this as it happened.

However, though our military stated Putin's execution and delivery was outstanding, they also saw quickly the opportunity ‘to see his hand’ and what he's got in communication warfare as well in other areas, which he clearly showed to our military watching this event unfold.

It isn't about “saving” Europe or Western Civilization as it was in the cold war....the entire political map is all about the New World Order and what nations will control it and who...that is what the Eu?US/Nato push has been all about...aligning nations and the grab for their resources so that the ‘large corporations’ and banks as well, such as Imf and others, can operate these and funnel monies accordingly to their “favorites”...while at the same time keeping/causing these nations indebtedness to them. (Just as we see currently happening in Ukraine).

The leader I would like to see is one who understands and knows what it is to be A Sovereign Nation and retains and protects it borders and it's peoples first and foremost. International Trade is fine but I do not want to see this nation under any 'European' World Order...which is exactly what Obama is about and why HE was put into office to move us to that end....just as Hillary Clinton will. Russia, Syria, Libya, Iran, Egypt, Israel and many of the Mid-East Countries, as well as China, DO NOT want to be under European Rule.....so the war is the Eu/US/Nato push against those who who are now forming their own Groups.

Not to mention Britain and other Nations now want to leave the EU Parliament behind and regain their own Sovereign statehood once again. So EU's in their own battle.

In time China and Russia will again be at ends for thier own aspiration's for power and control. But the Ultimate win will be God's...none of them realize this yet.

35 posted on 05/30/2014 11:37:52 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

LOL, OK, no Reagan for you Obama is doing the right thing, nothing, and Paul will do it as well, the world arranges things, and we wait to see what they align against us.

If you are old enough ask yourself how some of us could see nuclear war in 1984/85, when looking at the future from 1979.

Reagan closed the window, but if I had doubts about what I had been thinking in 1979, I learned differently from 1983 military intelligence, when I learned that was their view as well.


36 posted on 05/30/2014 11:50:43 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Oh I loved Reagan....As for Nuclear War...that will not occur until the time is set for it....which the way things are going could be in the not too distant future. Iran would love to see Israel slide off the map.....and Putins doing what he can to make that a reality.

I do believe ‘the tension’ worldwide cannot endure many more years without another major war. Someone’s going to go for the Gold or resist those who are, or sidetrack the race. Which is what is happening on the World Stage today....regardless of the “love everybody and unite us all crowd”, the powers that be will always be juggling for more power and control....but if they can produce a false sense of unity they will do so just to keep the masses occupied while they go about their business.

I’m a student of Gods Word so have watched events for sometime now....Nuclear war is certainly evidenced there.
However it’s only been in the 20th Century that things have drastically increased to where we are now in this Century...and could very well be the last as we know it.

I’d like to see Cruz as our Candidate, and got on his ship awhile back. He speaks and acts closest to what I would be hopeful might bring our nation back under our Constitution and our Nation to love God again.


37 posted on 05/31/2014 12:07:11 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

We already had one nuclear war.


38 posted on 05/31/2014 12:11:50 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: SoConPubbie

Why the hell does this guy want a war with Putin?

There is nothing in Ukraine.


39 posted on 05/31/2014 12:53:15 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Lol

Not likely Ted


40 posted on 05/31/2014 12:53:57 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: ansel12

Yes..true.


41 posted on 05/31/2014 1:11:03 AM PDT by caww
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To: Vermont Lt

Is that what fear and defeat looks like?
Any reaction to Russia’s aggression by America and NATO means that Putin declares “War” on the West?

Is that Putin launching nuclear war on all the nations of NATO and America, and the free world?


42 posted on 05/31/2014 1:31:15 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Cruz needs to leave foreign policy alone, he hasn’t a clue.

I like Cruz, but foreign policy is not his strong suit.

43 posted on 05/31/2014 1:33:23 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: caww

Weird isn’t it? Yet it is real, I don’t know how to write about it, or describe it, or define it, or how to make it real to those of us who ‘kind of know, but don’t know’, our first nuclear war, and it is not truly on the books yet.


44 posted on 05/31/2014 1:39:59 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: jpsb

Foreign policy is a strong point for him, I have yet to see a weakness.

After Rand Paul and Barack Obama, thank God we have a Reagan in the 2016 lineup.


45 posted on 05/31/2014 1:43:10 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Does US have the gumption and glue to put it back together again or at least keep it from falling apart worse?

Duh-1, the great uniter, has done more to fracture and Balkanize America than anyone in the past, along so many different planes.

How in the world could he do anything to unite the Ukraine if he can't refrain from driving wedges between virtually every group in American and everyone else?

46 posted on 05/31/2014 1:46:09 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ansel12
"Foreign policy is a strong point for him, I have yet to see a weakness.

That is because you are not very bright.

Cruz wanted to invade Syria, Cruz wanted to end aid to Egypt after the Egyptian military over threw the Muslim Brotherhood. Now Cruz wants to risk war with Russia over the Crimea? Really? The Crimea has been Russian since Catherine the Great (1783). The Russians took it from the Ottoman Empire (Islam) to stop the Ottomans from selling Russians into slavery. Russia will go to the mat over the Crimea.

I like Cruz, he is one of our best in the Senate but went it comes to foreign policy he needs work harder on getting it right.

47 posted on 05/31/2014 2:09:17 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: jpsb

Well, as sweet as your remarks about me were, I would like to see your sources for of all that.

I’m not aware of you ever bringing anything honest to a discussion.


48 posted on 05/31/2014 2:16:32 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: jpsb; ansel12

>> That is because you are not very bright.

Perhaps stubborn, but certainly not a dim bulb.


49 posted on 05/31/2014 2:22:23 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Vermont Lt

>> Why the hell does this guy want a war with Putin?

“This guy” being Cruz?

I respect Russia’s capabilities, but there would be no war.

Keep in mind, Russia’s stability is important to China, and China depends on the US dollar, so... well... it probably wouldn’t be unreasonable for the US to make an effort for Ukraine’s independence.


50 posted on 05/31/2014 2:28:26 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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