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More college men are fighting back against sexual misconduct cases
Los Angeles Times ^ | June 7, 2014 | By Teresa Watanabe

Posted on 06/09/2014 7:32:35 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement

Peter Yu, Drew Sterrett and Lewis McLeod were headed toward bright futures at prestigious colleges and universities when each got involved in one-night sexual encounters..

All three young men claimed the encounters were consensual — but the women asserted otherwise. In each case, campus officials found the men responsible for sexual assault and expelled or suspended them.

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1 posted on 06/09/2014 7:32:36 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

I guess now every time two people get drunk in college and have sex, rape will be charged against the guy.


2 posted on 06/09/2014 7:36:51 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: ConservativeStatement

I wonder if it occurred to any of these guys that “one-night sexual encounters” are not the way to go.


3 posted on 06/09/2014 7:37:12 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: ConservativeStatement

One of my best friends in college was falsely accused of rape when he was a sophomore. Before the trial even started, the college expelled him. He was forced to commute 4 hours every time there was a court hearing on the case. After a year of delays, the trial finally started.

The accuser broke down during cross examination and confessed to making it all up because he shunned her subsequent advances after the first drunken hook up. The case was immediately dismissed, the girl was thrown in jail for 6 months, if I recall correctly, and my buddy sued her and her family for a large sum of money which they couldn’t afford to pay.

Regardless of the outcome, he’s never been accepted to another college, he has a rape arrest on his record that he’s still fighting to have expunged, and his life is completely ruined. He was a mechanical engineering major with straight As before all of this went down. Absolutely tragic and disgusting the power that women have and will wield at a whim if they feel even marginally slighted.

The militant feminist movement has destroyed the men in this country.


4 posted on 06/09/2014 7:38:27 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

That has been going on for a while now.


5 posted on 06/09/2014 7:39:20 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: madprof98
That would be morality which is too similar to religion and is verboten on campus, unless it is the "Religion of Peace."

Some chick in college can bring a guy home to her apartment, get drunk, strip naked, share a bed and pass out, but if the guy awakens before she does, is too drunk to remember where he is and sees an attractive naked chick in the same bed with her legs spread wide open and does what most stupid young drunk guys would do in the same situation, she can cry rape as if it is the equivalent of some dirtbag grabbing an innocent girl on a dark street and dragging her into the alley.

And any politician who actually points out this difference will suffer the same fate as Todd Aiken.

6 posted on 06/09/2014 7:39:54 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ConservativeStatement

“Peter Yu, Drew Sterrett and Lewis McLeod were headed toward bright futures at prestigious colleges and universities when each got involved in one-night sexual encounters..”

My heart bleeds for the poor boys.

They just wanted to act like animals.

What’s wrong with that?


7 posted on 06/09/2014 7:40:33 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ConservativeStatement

The education system is pro female biased, from preschool, elementary, high school to college. I’m glad men are finally standing up and fighting back.


8 posted on 06/09/2014 7:40:49 AM PDT by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I’m almost surprised that half of all sex on college campuses doesn’t end up reported as rape with the asinine atmosphere of raging youth hormones and hypersensitive “awareness”.


9 posted on 06/09/2014 7:40:50 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: ConservativeStatement

Sick and tired of being found guilty every time by man-hating feminazis.


10 posted on 06/09/2014 7:41:04 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

It’s been open season on men for a long time. Piss off a woman, and she can destroy you with false charges.


11 posted on 06/09/2014 7:42:19 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“I guess now every time two people get drunk in college and have sex, rape will be charged against the guy.”

Pretty darn easy solution there, little feller. Simple solution.


12 posted on 06/09/2014 7:42:58 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: rarestia

The militant feminist movement has destroyed the men in this country.


Not just men. Marriage too. Roughly 75% of divorces are brought on by the wife. And no, it’s not because men give more justification...


13 posted on 06/09/2014 7:43:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: rarestia

Unfortunately he set himself up with the first drunken hookup. God isn’t mocked.


14 posted on 06/09/2014 7:44:09 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: ifinnegan

My heart bleeds for the poor boys.

They just wanted to act like animals.

What’s wrong with that?


I agree with your sentiment to a degree, but should the punishment not fit the crime?


15 posted on 06/09/2014 7:44:35 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: ConservativeStatement

My take on this gets back to personal responsibility.

And it’s directed at men, to be careful about who you get involved with.

Don’t get into habits of having casual sex with women you don’t really know, or know well.

Both men and women should avoid situations which can get them in trouble.

Traditional values and behaving yourselves are good places to start.


16 posted on 06/09/2014 7:45:52 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et o)
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To: ConservativeStatement

23 years in law enforcement in a three college city. The majority of these cases are “cover your ass” for the females. Don’t want boyfriend or parents to find out...so its reported as sexual assault. Even when its consensual, I have had young women tell me “he should have known I was uncomfortable with it.” Yes there are some cases of sexual assault that are legitimate...but the vast majority that I have dealt with have been intoxicated bad decision making..


17 posted on 06/09/2014 7:47:38 AM PDT by bike800
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To: ConservativeStatement

I remember having to sit through meaningless propaganda classes on sexual harassment in the 90s while Bill Clinton was groping and assaulting women left and tight.


18 posted on 06/09/2014 7:47:47 AM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Traditional values and behaving yourselves are good places to start.

But it's so much easier to blame somebody else for your woes, which is exactly why the Women's Studies types are always screaming rape.

19 posted on 06/09/2014 7:48:48 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: cuban leaf

Where I live almost all of the divorces are a result of the wife sleeping with her boss or her husband’s friends. Women justify what they do and their girlfriends back them up. If a man does something wrong, there are no excuses. Love the hypocrisy of the women of my crappy generation.


20 posted on 06/09/2014 7:48:52 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: bike800

There was a time that if a man had sex with a drunk woman it was considered rape. I’m not so sure that is a bad thing.


21 posted on 06/09/2014 7:55:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: rarestia

“The militant feminist movement has destroyed the men in this country.”

Indeed it has. And I believe that these man-hating and boy-hating vermin are the reason many males turn homosexual.


22 posted on 06/09/2014 7:57:11 AM PDT by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: cuban leaf

True, but when both are drunk...it becomes a prosecutorial nightmare...


23 posted on 06/09/2014 8:00:22 AM PDT by bike800
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To: ConservativeStatement

When I was in college, I figured something out by watching other peoples mistakes.

Keeping it in your pants keeps you out of a lot of trouble.


24 posted on 06/09/2014 8:00:23 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: cuban leaf

“There was a time that if a man had sex with a drunk woman it was considered rape. I’m not so sure that is a bad thing.”

When my son went away to college last year I told him to have your fun but NEVER take advantage of a woman who had too much to drink, solely to keep him away from this possibility.


25 posted on 06/09/2014 8:02:47 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Roofies. They are epidemic in colleges now.


26 posted on 06/09/2014 8:02:59 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: rarestia

“after the first drunken hook-up” This mistake is what has changed the course of your friends life. Keep your pants zipped before marriage and this would not have happened to him. A hard lesson with life long consequences.

Men and boys need to understand that women view sex differently from men, despite what they hear the media and women themselves say. Women equate sex with love… no matter how much they say otherwise. Furthermore women believe that once a man has sex with her, he will fall madly in love and never look at another. So women spurned after “casual” sex” ( really there is no such thing) are in a fragile state of psychological distress because their self esteem is largely based on their supposed sexual prowess ( the result of sexualizing girls at an early age.) and they will want revenge of some kind. Young men need to be aware that sex is never casual for a women regardless of what she says.


27 posted on 06/09/2014 8:04:09 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

It’s not just college campuses, and it could be mere physical contact, not even sex. One such witch that I dated (Sunday bike rides, lunch) tried to make a case that my touching her arm was sexual assault. She further escalated it by accusing me of being a notorious white supremacist and child rapist(there is such a person with a different middle name and currently in prison). She went as far as calling my employer. I wound up leaving Texas for 12 years to maintain my engineering career. I have refused to date since that incident (1997).


28 posted on 06/09/2014 8:05:12 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: StolarStorm

Sadly, the story below is the case far too often. It is the result of no-fault divorce. It is almost exactly how it went down with me after 20 years of marriage and three beautiful daughters. It was 17 years ago and it’s kinda what people predicted. I found the woman of my dreams and live on a spectacular 32 acres as she has settled into a small older motorhome in an RV park somewhere in Arizona, This after she got the house and snuck away about $12,000 in a hidden account before doing it:

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Divorce.shtml


29 posted on 06/09/2014 8:05:13 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: rarestia

I don’t think feminism caused him to have drunken hookups. He might want to rethink participating in those.in.future.


30 posted on 06/09/2014 8:10:55 AM PDT by what's up
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To: StolarStorm
“Piss off a woman, and she can destroy you with false charges.”

Which is why an increasing number of American males are taking their chances with women in other parts of the world. Not that they want ‘someone to dominate’, but a woman who doesn't have a chip on her shoulder. They're weary of the feminazi war machine.

31 posted on 06/09/2014 8:11:45 AM PDT by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: longfellowsmuse

Oh really? Like the wife of one of my best friends who recently got caught engaging in hookups with random men she met on ashleymadison? You think she views sex as more than just causal?


32 posted on 06/09/2014 8:13:21 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: longfellowsmuse

You are a bit naive and behind the times.

Many women use sex as recreation, and a means to an end. Which is just how many used it all through history.


33 posted on 06/09/2014 8:14:51 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: StolarStorm
It’s been open season on men for a long time. Piss off a woman, and she can destroy you with false charges.

Sometimes, you don't even have to actually have sex for this to happen.

34 posted on 06/09/2014 8:18:27 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: bike800

True, but when both are drunk...it becomes a prosecutorial nightmare...


Can’t argue with that.

One thing I think should be considered is that if enough time has passed and all “physical evidence” of the encounter (if you get my drift) is gone, any charges should simply be denied as in, “we didn’t have sex. I don’t know what the heck you are talking about. You sound a little crazy to me.”

i.e. fight fire with fire.


35 posted on 06/09/2014 8:19:27 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: bike800
True, but when both are drunk...it becomes a prosecutorial nightmare...

I was a deputy prosecutor for 18 years. I NEVER filed one of these cases. Some things are better left as life lessons to be learned. And if the girl AND guy (who knew he was under investigation for rape) didn't learn something from it, well, there isn't much you can do for them.

36 posted on 06/09/2014 8:20:45 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I guess now every time two people get drunk in college and have sex, rape will be charged against the guy.

Unless guy doesn't go to that college, in which case they would have to press charges with the police, who will actually ask for evidence.

The rule therefore becomes "Don't bang college girls until after you graduate".

The general rule is "Don't have sex with girls you either go to school with, or work at the same company as you".

37 posted on 06/09/2014 8:23:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“I guess now every time two people get drunk in college and have sex, rape will be charged against the guy.”

Could be another form of Femi-Nazi activism in the war on men.


38 posted on 06/09/2014 8:23:18 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
And it’s directed at men, to be careful about who you get involved with.

Don’t get into habits of having casual sex with women you don’t really know, or know well.

I've told my sons that there are two types of women out there that guys go for. There's the kind you bring home from the party, and the kind you bring home to mom and I. Don't ever confuse the two, and stay away from the party girl. She's probably crazy in the head.

39 posted on 06/09/2014 8:23:21 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: rarestia
He was a mechanical engineering major with straight As before all of this went down.

Best advice my old man ever gave me as a young man; "Keep it zipped up."

40 posted on 06/09/2014 8:24:54 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.)
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To: cuban leaf; ifinnegan
I agree with your sentiment to a degree, but should the punishment not fit the crime?

If the desire is to punish people for sex outside marriage, then the women should ALSO be punished. Islam is starting to look more better with every passing year.

41 posted on 06/09/2014 8:26:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

If the desire is to punish people for sex outside marriage, then the women should ALSO be punished. Islam is starting to look more better with every passing year.


My take is that a rape only takes place when witnesses other than the “he said, she said” pair concur on the charges. These witnesses can include physical evidence or eyewitness evidence. But if the only evidence is that she has made the claim, there simply is no case. If he denies the charge and there is no physical evidence, no charges should ever be filed. Even if he’s just really good at raping women without causing any telltale marks or bruises. There is just not enough evidence.


42 posted on 06/09/2014 8:29:17 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Paulie
And I believe that these man-hating and boy-hating vermin are the reason many males turn homosexual.

Silly breeder. Don't you know they are born that way? It is NOT a choice. Or so we have been told.

43 posted on 06/09/2014 8:29:38 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.)
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To: redgolum
and revenge. And sometimes the issue that inspired the revenge cheating was/is very minor. But then, that's just part of the justification game some play.

Of the 4 woman I know well that turned into total hobags, not one of them has admitted they were in the wrong. All of them have an "excuse". The only remorse was for getting caught.

In the past I've heard these same women attack men for even just glancing at an another.

Hypocrisy thy name is woman.

Yeah, I'm a little angry and bitter right now and should stop. Just got another shocker about another neighbor yesterday. I'm disgusted and saddened. There have been too many Hos among my friends. And not one of these friends cheated on their wives (and I would probably know). Gen X is one messed up generation.
44 posted on 06/09/2014 8:29:59 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: longfellowsmuse
Your point well taken and understood. But is it the case with today's high school and college female? Because it seems quite the opposite, at least on the surface.

For example, the way girls dress and carry themselves in HS and college is not exactly modest, from what I've seen, cheerleaders don't actually cheer lead anymore, but rather engage in very suggestive dirty dancing on the field and court, many are sexually aggressive, and much of their language rivals that of an army boot camp.

Obviously it is not everyone. Maybe not by a long shot. But it seems pervasive. Is all that a front to hide their true quest for love and affection?

45 posted on 06/09/2014 8:30:21 AM PDT by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: Paulie
“Piss off a woman, and she can destroy you with false charges.” Which is why an increasing number of American males are taking their chances with women in other parts of the world.

The problem is that you must then NEVER BRING HER TO THE US.

Retire to some other country where your pension goes further, and where they do not have US divorce laws, and never facilitate her being able to enter the US.

46 posted on 06/09/2014 8:31:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: henkster

That’s great advice to give your sons. Just stay away from certain types of people, and you are much less likely to get in trouble.

That’s good advice for other areas of life too. College students should stay away from those who don’t take their studies seriously, party too much, etc. They should stay away from those who are into extreme liberal political causes, and whose lives revolve around those causes. There are many other types of people to avoid as well, for your own well-being.


47 posted on 06/09/2014 8:33:54 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et o)
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To: cuban leaf
One thing I think should be considered is that if enough time has passed and all “physical evidence” of the encounter (if you get my drift) is gone, any charges should simply be denied as in, “we didn’t have sex. I don’t know what the heck you are talking about. You sound a little crazy to me.” i.e. fight fire with fire.

Better yet, have your lawyer say it, while you keep your mouth shut. All the cops have to do if YOU deny it is find any evidence you were there with her. If your lawyer says "where is your evidence that my client did any such?", it's different.

Never talk to police.

48 posted on 06/09/2014 8:35:57 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: cuban leaf
My take is that a rape only takes place when witnesses other than the “he said, she said” pair concur on the charges. These witnesses can include physical evidence or eyewitness evidence. But if the only evidence is that she has made the claim, there simply is no case. If he denies the charge and there is no physical evidence, no charges should ever be filed.

Agreed. And "physical evidence", as you implied, should be evidence of non consensual sex, not just evidence that sex occurred.

49 posted on 06/09/2014 8:38:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: rarestia

Your friend might not have had his life ruined if he didn’t get drunk and have sex with her and then shunned her the next day.

I’m not saying it’s fair but any guy who has intimate relations with a girl and then shuns her when he sobers up is a loser.


50 posted on 06/09/2014 8:40:51 AM PDT by ladyjane
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