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Boeing Formation Flight: Saving Energy Like Birds Do
Boeing-YouTube ^ | 6/6/2014 | Boeing

Posted on 06/10/2014 2:25:42 PM PDT by Baynative

Saving energy is not an easy task but how do the Boeing engineers do it? The answer is flying above you.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: boeing; draft; flight
I am a bit taken back that Boeing engineers are just figuring this out. In all the wing formations flown during bombing raids in WWII, did no one ever think of this to get planes short on fuel back to base?
1 posted on 06/10/2014 2:25:42 PM PDT by Baynative
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To: nutmeg; whattajoke; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; Drango; glorgau; Cecily; ..

Bike Ping

And what about how a peloton forms an echelon in the wind. Sheez, half the folks at Boeing ride bikes to work. You'd link one of them would have mentioned this somewhere along the line...


2 posted on 06/10/2014 2:28:08 PM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Baynative

Dude.

A You tube? In Breaking News?


3 posted on 06/10/2014 2:29:24 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Baynative

Get in the bike lane!!


4 posted on 06/10/2014 2:30:26 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Responsibility2nd
Dude- it's the date, not the source site. Maybe this one will make you feel better.
5 posted on 06/10/2014 2:31:21 PM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Baynative

If I were a cyclist, I’d eat a lot of beans...........................protein, ya know...................


6 posted on 06/10/2014 2:33:02 PM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: Baynative; Admin Moderator

Please, this isn’t breaking news. Put it in Technical, if anything.


7 posted on 06/10/2014 2:34:12 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: Baynative

What ARE you talking about?


8 posted on 06/10/2014 2:34:39 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Admin Moderator

This is worthy of breaking news?


9 posted on 06/10/2014 2:35:01 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: Baynative

And this is Breaking News how????


10 posted on 06/10/2014 2:36:32 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Baynative

I suggest that you get in formation and follow others in the FR vortex as it will save a lot of space in the breaking news column.


11 posted on 06/10/2014 2:41:08 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: QT3.14

More like breaking wind.


12 posted on 06/10/2014 2:42:57 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Baynative

Not breaking news. Trust me, I’ve been hammered for posting real breaking news to breaking news.


13 posted on 06/10/2014 2:52:08 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Responsibility2nd; Baynative; Admin Moderator; SoothingDave; hobbes1; SunkenCiv; cogitator; ...
Dude.

A You tube? In Breaking News?

Sure. Well, “Breaking New Winds” at least.

14 posted on 06/10/2014 3:03:46 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: TurboZamboni

no fair - You copied my homework before I handed it in! 8<)


15 posted on 06/10/2014 3:04:27 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Yeah, like we need more space in breaking news for the stories about all the folks standing in line for HRC’s book signing.

And then the 20 a day “The Clintons are broke” threads.


16 posted on 06/10/2014 3:08:41 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: justlurking; QT3.14; Uncle Chip; 1010RD
I'm sorry you are offended. Maybe I need to practice my sarcasm. I was taken back by the fact that Boeing thinks this is breaking news.
17 posted on 06/10/2014 3:09:06 PM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Being an engineer, you might be curious as to how Boeing engineers find this to be breaking news.

I remember being told, in grade school, that nomadic tribes used to walk single file into head winds long, long ago.

18 posted on 06/10/2014 3:13:54 PM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Baynative

hypermiling.


19 posted on 06/10/2014 3:15:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Baynative

I’m not offended. It’s ironic, but not breaking. Have a good one.


20 posted on 06/10/2014 3:18:09 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Baynative

If you were more familiar with aviation, you would know that this was practiced in WWII to save fuel and extend missions of fighter escorts. You can do a web search and find a bunch of books and sources that mention it. The Boeing video clip is about how they are looking at it in detail to make it possible to use computational resources to adjust the aircraft for maximum efficiency depending on local conditions including aricraft types, altitude, wind speed and direction, etc.


21 posted on 06/10/2014 3:18:37 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Baynative

If it’s Breaking News to Boeing then I’m selling my Boeing stock.


22 posted on 06/10/2014 3:25:10 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Baynative
I remember being told, in grade school, that nomadic tribes used to walk single file into head winds long, long ago.


23 posted on 06/10/2014 3:26:05 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Every American should feel outrage at any injustice done to our veterans " -Sarah Palin 5/26/14)
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To: WVKayaker; Kirkwood
That's why I posted the cycling picture above (I'm a retired competitive cyclist).

In the picture the wind is coming across the road from the left as we look at it. In order to conserve energy riders are riding slightly behind but also obliquely behind the rider who is doing the work. This is very important to team strategy which is built around "protecting" the fastest sprinter for the day, or the team leader so they are as strong as possible at the finish.

There is a lot of technique that goes into this - the second echelon that is forming is a team all in green. They are lined up to let the fourth rider have as much protection from the wind as they can. They are also staying as far to the leeward side of the road as they can so opposing team riders can't get into their draft zone. And of course, cyclists learned this long ago and in addition to how dramatically you can feel a small change in wind when you're riding, someone taking a rest one day long ago probably gazed up and some migrating geese and the bulb went off!

I'm getting off the subject a bit. In short, I was amused that Boeing published this as a ground breaking discovery. But Kirkwood set me straight on what they are really drilling down for in the way of efficiencies.

25 posted on 06/10/2014 3:38:49 PM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I’m no Doris Kearns Goodwin, but I try.


26 posted on 06/10/2014 3:43:59 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

We really need a “Breaking ‘Tube” section here. ;’)


27 posted on 06/10/2014 4:03:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (And good riddance!)
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To: Baynative

Thanks Bay!


28 posted on 06/12/2014 10:50:49 AM PDT by golux
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To: Baynative

“I am a bit taken back that Boeing engineers are just figuring this out. In all the wing formations flown during bombing raids in WWII, did no one ever think of this to get planes short on fuel back to base? “

I am a bit taken back that someone would think that Boeing had no idea about this till now! Boeing is marketing the expertise to position the trailing aircraft to most effectively use the wake turbulence.


29 posted on 06/12/2014 11:07:44 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Baynative

“I’m getting off the subject a bit. In short, I was amused that Boeing published this as a ground breaking discovery.”

You should have watched the video that you link-posted. You would have seen that they have developed the software to enable the efficient positioning of the aircraft.


30 posted on 06/12/2014 11:11:22 AM PDT by TexasGator
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