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Pentagon studying protesters to prep for ‘mass civil breakdown’
Washington Times ^ | 6/13/14 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 06/14/2014 2:37:49 AM PDT by Kartographer

The Department of Defense has disbursed some funds to universities so that scientists might study the dynamics of civil unrest — and how the U.S. military might best respond.

It’s called the “Minerva Research Initiative,” and it’s a program that was kicked off in 2008 to “improve DoD’s basic understanding of the social, cultural, behavioral and political forces that shape regions of the world of strategic importance to the U.S.,” The Guardian reported.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: preparedness; preppers

1 posted on 06/14/2014 2:37:49 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 06/14/2014 2:38:42 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Here’s a thought. Maybe the best military response is to frogmarch the clown out of our White House in orange and chain!


3 posted on 06/14/2014 2:39:47 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Kartographer

The lawlessness continues by the federal government as this anticipates a clear violation of The Posse Comitatus Act, United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152).


4 posted on 06/14/2014 2:43:43 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Kartographer

The Air Force Office of Scientific Research and the Naval Post Graduate School have NO business whatsoever funding politically-motivated concerns as evidenced in the overall thesis of the ‘research’ described.

This has nothing to do with the defense of this country from external sources. It is about containment and control and is just the first step in that long line of oppression that liberal radicals hope for.


5 posted on 06/14/2014 2:48:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kartographer

The U.S. government is following the same trajectory as all governments throughout history; they grow and grow and eventually their primary function is preservation of power. Servant becomes master.


6 posted on 06/14/2014 3:29:35 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: Kartographer

More useful would be to study how to deal with a marxist a-hole who rises to power and ignores the constitution. Does the military have an App for THAT?


7 posted on 06/14/2014 3:33:50 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Kartographer

From an earlier time, the tactic which a young French officer (born on the island of Corsica) used to quell riots (today called ‘civil unrest’) in the streets of Paris - grapeshot, lots and lots of grapeshot.


8 posted on 06/14/2014 3:35:33 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: Kartographer

funds to universities, going right to the enemies within. Have we seen an uptick of university scientists/professors who are conservative patriotic Americans who love this country and it’s values?


9 posted on 06/14/2014 3:36:46 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: jamaksin

Grape shot was some nasty stuff and caused terrible wounds.

72 cal round lead balls shot from a cannon will cause a variety of damage to the human body.


10 posted on 06/14/2014 3:55:21 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Amagi

“The lawlessness continues by the federal government as this anticipates a clear violation of The Posse Comitatus Act, United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152).”

Depends on how it’s done.

If there is an “act of war” then no violation.

For example, get the illegals to protesting, marching, and rioting in the streets.

People, including a number here, will demand the governors of the states send in national guard to stop the rioting.

Then you have terrorist attacks from foreign terrorist.

Tie the two together.

What you end up with are act of war committed against the US.

With an act of war the Fed. govt. takes charge of the national guard troops which are already in the streets.

That’s pretty much right out of the Weather Underground playbook.

Notice how the same strategy was used at Benghazi.

“Spontaneous” protest followed by “spontaneous” terrorist attack.

Fact of the matter is every terrorist attack since 1993 has followed almost the exact same pattern.

Democrats orchestrate civil unrest, then there is a terrorist attack.


11 posted on 06/14/2014 4:01:31 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Beagle8U
Oh, yes - agreed and understood.

But ... on those riots - those were quelled PDQ. And that was the object of the exercise.

12 posted on 06/14/2014 4:02:25 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: Kartographer

Does this not scare people? What is this government really planning?


13 posted on 06/14/2014 4:04:36 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Kartographer

Didn’t the gubmint do this subject to death in the 60s and 70? They sure spent allot of resources and money on it back then.


14 posted on 06/14/2014 4:05:21 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yes it is scary but more than anything it just makes me sad for my grand kids. I have a feeling they will never know what their grandparent’s knew: What living in a Republic and having freedom feels like.


15 posted on 06/14/2014 4:26:44 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Does this not scare people? What is this government really planning?

0 bummer, Jarrett, and holder want to get rid of the people who look like the founding fathers because this country stole all the goods and resources from other countries.

16 posted on 06/14/2014 5:04:00 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Once Obama spends all the money on illegals, trips and golf, and other pet projects like abortion....then food stamps/welfare, Social Security, Obamacare and Medicaid; VA will all be cut off...what do you think will be the result?


17 posted on 06/14/2014 5:05:44 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat

When the “Gibs me dat” crowd doesn’t get their SNAP or other assistance, there will be rioting in the big cities. Glad we moved out of a massive population center 20+ years ago.


18 posted on 06/14/2014 5:21:18 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Urban areas will be dangerous at that time, but too isolated will have it’s problems too....take a look at the Argentina upheaval twenty years ago with deaths and looting, the one they had recently wasn’t as severe.


19 posted on 06/14/2014 5:33:05 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Kackikat

We are not that isolated here. I have a lot of neighbors who think like I do and each has their own specialty. We can barter if it comes to that.


20 posted on 06/14/2014 5:45:04 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Kartographer

Don’t worry, when our cities are burning and MRAPs are running down the highway, the lawyers will be in court to file an INJUNCTION to halt this madness./s


21 posted on 06/14/2014 5:48:12 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Kartographer

Would you people PLEASE stop posting this stuff?

I mean it could really get the urban dwellers to start thinking about their futures in the completely paranoid and hypothetical ‘what ifs’ and they might actually start thinking about leaving the rat warrens in which they reside.

WE, really, don’t want that. THEY, overwhelmingly vote for any socialists running for office and I think WE shouldn’t get in the way our Their self-gratification.


22 posted on 06/14/2014 5:56:34 AM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: Kartographer

Nothing new.

The Army [and probably other branches] were doing similar in the latter 1960s Vietnam War era.


23 posted on 06/14/2014 6:25:48 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Kartographer
The Revolutionary War was started for less than this.


24 posted on 06/14/2014 6:48:45 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: Kartographer; appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ..
The US Army Center of Military History three volume history on the Role of Federal Military Forces in Domestic Disorders, 1789-1992 ◦Role of Federal Military Forces in Domestic Disorders, 1789-1878 (CMH Pub 30-13) ◦Role of Federal Military Forces in Domestic Disorders, 1877-1945 (CMH Pub 30-15) ◦Role of Federal Military Forces in Domestic Disorders, 1945-1992 (CMH Pub 30-20) Each of these volumes are available, free of charge, online at: http://www.history.army.mil/catalog/browse/title.html#s Just click on the individual title on the page to be linked to the volume.
25 posted on 06/14/2014 7:03:54 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
2nd try to get paragraphing in. The US Army Center of Military History three volume history on the Role of Federal Military Forces in Domestic Disorders, 1789-1992 ◦Role of Federal Military Forces in Domestic Disorders, 1789-1878 (CMH Pub 30-13) ◦Role of Federal Military Forces in Domestic Disorders, 1877-1945 (CMH Pub 30-15) ◦Role of Federal Military Forces in Domestic Disorders, 1945-1992 (CMH Pub 30-20) Each of these volumes are available, free of charge, online at: http://www.history.army.mil/catalog/browse/title.html#s Just click on the individual title on the page to be linked to the volume.
26 posted on 06/14/2014 7:05:27 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

And, this applies HOW? to the US Air Force Office of Scientific Research and the Naval Post Graduate School? Both whom have funded some of this splendid work?


27 posted on 06/14/2014 7:08:13 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Just providing a link to three studies of how federal forces were or were not used in domestic dissent cases since 1789. Just thought I’d add some history to the discussion.


28 posted on 06/14/2014 7:12:29 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Understood, but you have to realize those references were in regard to circumstances not relevant today, I’d expect.

We are in a radically different situation now with a government gone wild with power that pays no heed to its laws or Constitution.


29 posted on 06/14/2014 7:18:01 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Arrowhead1952

I wish our neighbors were thinking people...lots of them have empty garages and I am sure think of us as “hoarders”...but when the SHTF...well...I will pick and choose among them who gets ANYTHING


30 posted on 06/14/2014 7:18:18 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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To: Gaffer

Actually, somewhat similar comments were made about the government at the time of the Whiskey Rebellion, Reconstruction after the Civil War, and when President Eisenhower sent the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, Arkansas in 1958.

I agree that the current executive has “out-shown” all of the previous.

And for those interested in history, the Army’s Center of Military History has nearly all of its publications available online in .pdf or html format.


31 posted on 06/14/2014 7:41:11 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Kartographer

This is a big reason that, along with other major reforms, the next Republican POTUS needs to significantly reduce the power of the office of the president.

There must be an “iron restoration” of both the Posse Comitatus Act and the War Powers Act. There is and remains NO, ZERO reason why the US military should *ever* act in a police situation. Not their job. And anyone, including the POTUS, and every one of his subordinates, who tries to make them do so should be committing a serious and unpardonable felony. Plus, the POTUS should be able to respond militarily for about an hour, before having to notify congress and seek their permission in the second hour.


32 posted on 06/14/2014 7:45:21 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: GreyFriar

Yes, an also in Alabama with Governor George Wallace.

Different times and different reasons.

The fact still remains the Air Force and the Navy have no business in subsidizing studies with respect to crowd, group, mob - whatever dissension or control thereof in this country, period.


33 posted on 06/14/2014 7:48:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Amagi

I agree it is questionable but I do not agree it is a clear violation:

Ҥ1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”
http://uscode.house.gov/download/releasepoints/us/pl/113/120/pdf_usc18@113-120.zip

One might argue both sides of “uses any part” and its relation to funds. This is especially true given the law was written specifically to limit the use of federal troops to physically get involved in the maintenance of social order and doesn’t say anything about studying the subject.

So, one can argue both sides as ‘execut[ing] the laws’ clearly means troops endorsing laws as opposed to the studying of the breakdown of social order.


34 posted on 06/14/2014 7:49:05 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka
Indeed, if and when Posse Comitatus is suspended it will require an "Act of Congress", i.e., the Legislative Branch.
The raising of the issue of "how the U.S. military might best respond" to "civil unrest" by the Department of Defense (as well as the militarization of Departments of Agriculture, etc., etc.,) are activities originating within the Executive Branch.
35 posted on 06/14/2014 8:09:31 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

They’re just taking names and facial recognitions. Nothing more. Nothing to concern yourself about. Ignore the black SUVs and drones. Step this way, citizen.


36 posted on 06/14/2014 8:13:56 AM PDT by bgill
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the links. I remember when the President sent troops to Little Rock, Arkansas,


37 posted on 06/14/2014 9:39:54 AM PDT by zot
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To: bgill

“They’re just taking names and facial recognitions”

They’ve been doing this for awhile.

First Tea Party Rally in Cedar Rapids, IA...roving bands of Millenials in their AmeriCorps T-shirts were taking quite a few pics of individual people.

Pretty sure it wasn’t for their scrapbooks! ;-)


38 posted on 06/14/2014 10:12:41 AM PDT by LadyBuck (Some day very soon, Life's little Twinkie gauge is gonna go......empty.)
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To: Kartographer

Darlin has just handed me a document summarizing the 8 rules for radicals from Saul Alinsky and asked me to post it here, as it seems an appropriate reminder on this thread:

MUST READ MATERIAL FOR COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS AND THOSE WHO WANT TO STOP THEM:

From the Book “Rules for Radicals” author Saul d. Alinsky, Chicago 1946

How to create a Socialist State

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a Socialist State. The most important are:

1. Health Care: control health care, and you control the people.

2. Poverty: increase poverty levels as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control, and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3. Debt: Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you can increase Taxes and this will produce more poverty.

4. Gun Control: remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5. Welfare: take control of every aspect of their lives (food, housing, and income.

6. Education: take control of what people read, and listen to. Take control of what children learn in school.

7. Religion: remove the belief in God from the government and schools.

8. Class Warfare: Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to take (TAX) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

SOUND FAMILIAR?


39 posted on 06/14/2014 12:16:34 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Beagle8U

Here’s a vid of modern grapeshot fired from a 120mm tank shell. 1100 tungsten balls at 10mm in size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgn1nhUEgo8


40 posted on 06/14/2014 5:47:51 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Hmph. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things.)
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To: Amagi; All

You are acting like Congress is still relevant...they ain’t.

How many times has the Pretender sidestepped Congress, and they’ve done NOTHING to stop him?


41 posted on 06/14/2014 8:14:20 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: LadyBuck

They were doing this 15 years ago at a 2nd amendment rally I was at in front of the UN. They videotaped all of us and a couple of them followed me home.


42 posted on 06/14/2014 8:16:24 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: goodnesswins
I wish our neighbors were thinking people...lots of them have empty garages and I am sure think of us as “hoarders”...but when the SHTF...well...I will pick and choose among them who gets ANYTHING

Same here. I've been trying to talk to my neighbor about getting an emergency generator. He is looking, but also looking at solar. His son is an engineer in solar power and there is some new solar technology that is not as heavy or difficult to install as solar panels.

43 posted on 06/14/2014 8:43:52 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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