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Boston's Cardinal O'Malley: Americans Against Amnesty Have 'Irrational' Fear (Communion thru fence)
Breitbart's Big Government ^ | June 18, 2014 | Dr. Susan Berry

Posted on 06/18/2014 10:21:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In a recent interview with the Daily Beast that focused on the “bigotry” and “xenophobia” of Americans who are opposed to amnesty for illegal immigrants, Boston archbishop Cardinal Sean O’Malley said, “Obviously, the fear is not rational, and I think we are dealing with it in an irrational way.”

The Daily Beast’s Christopher Dickey lead up to his discussion with O’Malley about the thousands of illegal immigrant minors flooding the United States following President Obama’s decision to relax their deportations:

The fear and hatred of foreigners is nothing new in the United States, nation of immigrants though it is. O’Malley said he’d been reading up on the Know-Nothings of the 19th century who wanted to limit severely the immigration of Catholics, require them to wait 21 years for naturalization, and allow only Protestants to teach in public schools.

There is a reason there are few stained-glass windows in the Philadelphia cathedral, he said: “Because they knew they would be broken with bricks.” (Indeed, the building was designed during Know-Nothing violence in the 1840s with no windows at all at street level).

Dickey reports O’Malley told him that, in the 20th century, the same sort of xenophobia was turned against immigrants from Latin America and Asia, with the added factor of racism.

The “path to citizenship” for illegal immigrants, O’Malley said, is absolutely essential....

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: amnesty; border; catholics; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigration; obama; xenophobia
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1 posted on 06/18/2014 10:21:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy. He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s.

In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960.
In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin.

After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy. In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.” Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”


2 posted on 06/18/2014 10:26:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is like telling someone that they have an “irrational fear” for not wanting to jump off of a cliff.


3 posted on 06/18/2014 10:33:50 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like other Liberals the Cardinal is smug and likes to talk down to is adversaries.

92 million not working and this politician has no regard for Americans. By his logic we have no right as a nation to stop the entire world from coming to live within Americas borders.

It’s not 1920! or 1950!


4 posted on 06/18/2014 10:35:39 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry padre, but an America full of freeloading, low information DemocRAT voters who can’t speak English would be the end of freedom and what was once the greatest country on the planet. IMHO.


5 posted on 06/18/2014 10:36:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Right, those new citizens will vote for the very politicians that will persecute the Catholic Church and all the other Christians.


6 posted on 06/18/2014 10:42:16 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Ray76

Thanks for posting this. Always good to know what others think of us


7 posted on 06/18/2014 10:46:16 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just count me as irrational then. I wonder if the thought police are paying attention?


8 posted on 06/18/2014 10:51:12 PM PDT by Mark17 (Rudyard Kipling: Liberals be wary, when the SHTF, The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon will clobber you)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s time to remove the tax-exempt status of any religious organization advocating amnesty including the Catholic Church.


9 posted on 06/18/2014 10:54:43 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: Nifster

I take it you are trying to make a point of some sort. If you have something to say, say it.


10 posted on 06/18/2014 11:04:13 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was raised Catholic but no longer practice the faith.

A big part of the reason is because of left-wing fools like Sean O’Malley and Timothy Dolan.

If the Catholic Church wants amnesty, let the Church pay to house, feed, cloth and attend to the medical needs of the illegals.


11 posted on 06/18/2014 11:05:03 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: ansel12

That is an interesting bit of info.

The Cardinal is gravely misjudging me and millions others.

Just peeked over at drudge, and lo and behold, that Murdoch is yammering that amnesty can’t wait. Who are these freaks???


12 posted on 06/18/2014 11:05:30 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, Cardinal O, you have many lefty friends who think the church’s
position on abortion and birth control is irrational. What is your
point?


13 posted on 06/18/2014 11:08:02 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; ansel12
Then Cardinal O'Malley would consider President Calvin Coolidge (rightfully admired by President Reagan) "irrational". Coolidge not only staunchly opposed illegal immigration but stood for a policy of restricted legal immigration in order to keep America American. As ansel12 pointed out, that form of limited, highly-selective immigration served our beloved country well until the Kennedy Klan undid it in 1965. It was JFK and Teddy that set the table for the flood of the criminal invasion.
14 posted on 06/18/2014 11:15:15 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

By claiming too much, the faith ends up with nothing.

It can’t change the world by main force. Christianity never could. Its effect to that end was always, always dependent upon willing souls, which the Lord saw fit to bring into the scene.

I hope you haven’t given up on Christianity altogether. Institutions can get things wrong but God can’t.


15 posted on 06/18/2014 11:18:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: re_nortex

And another table to bribe the black poor to stay poor!


16 posted on 06/18/2014 11:22:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Cardinal is playing politics with the US future. His only concern is the ability of the Catholic Church to influence US policy for the benefit of the Catholic Church.

He’s no better a person than any of the Democrats who are intent of wrecking the country.


17 posted on 06/18/2014 11:24:53 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

I’d be REAL curious what he would consider to BE the benefit of the Church anyhow, if this were true. Folks don’t tithe a lot from food stamp cards, after all.


18 posted on 06/18/2014 11:27:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obedience to just law is not “fear and hatred”


19 posted on 06/18/2014 11:29:49 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Fear and Hatred”? O’Malley, like so many US Bishops, thinks our Constitutional Republic is the socialistic Catholic Church. What is it about “illegal” that O’Malley refuses to understand? It is far, far less to do with fear and hatered any everything to do with the law.


20 posted on 06/18/2014 11:30:31 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: Dapper 26

Ever since the Church got Rome delivered to it on a silver platter its organizational presence has not been quite the same. Satan got with honey what he couldn’t get with vinegar.


21 posted on 06/18/2014 11:32:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Republican1795.

Whether the fear is rational or not, it is certainly real.

There was always a reason why immigration has to be kept under control. One of the major reasons is because we know NOTHING about these new arrivals who have entered by clandestine means, and until they reveal their presence by some means, including, and most particularly by, the commission of some criminal activity, there are few means of even identifying them. There is also the danger of importing some communicable diseases along with their physical presence, and the even greater danger that the person crossing the border has malevolent intent, either against an individual, or some agency of our government, part of a plan of invasion and disruption of our domestic tranquility.

None of the consequences of illegal entry end well.

The people of the United States of America are not unmerciful. There is the very real possibility that those fleeing across our border are victims of persecution in their homeland, and as refugees they are taken in for at least temporary respite. But no such refugee has uncontested right to remain here, and if possible, every attempt should be made to ascertain that the refugee actually is subject to persecution, and is not merely fleeing the properly ordained laws of the home country.

This circumstance is much more rare than has been attributed, and is frequently combined with an effort to circumvent or defraud the normal immigration process.

This is an example of “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” Heavy shame is falling upon the people of America, and certain of their leaders.


22 posted on 06/18/2014 11:33:19 PM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44
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These are some of the 40% illegal alien Fortune 500 entrepreneurs that Rupie is talking about. Barry's kid krusaders. They're going to make great "americans".

23 posted on 06/18/2014 11:34:29 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Being able to help pick and choose politicians, for one. If the Catholic Church were to gain another 15 million faithful Catholics who could be told, in a manner of speaking ,as to who to vote for that would have an effect on which politicians could be chosen.

It could cause politicians, on both sides and at all levels, to have some consideration for policies that are favourable to the Catholic Church.


24 posted on 06/18/2014 11:35:19 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

He’d be nuts to expect them to be able to steer a crowd of that kind to be anything other than Democrat, though.


25 posted on 06/18/2014 11:41:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: alloysteel
There was always a reason why immigration has to be kept under control. One of the major reasons is because we know NOTHING about these new arrivals who have entered by clandestine means, and until they reveal their presence by some means, including, and most particularly by, the commission of some criminal activity, there are few means of even identifying them.

Thanks for very well-written post that succinctly gets to the heart of the matter. If you will, I'd like to further quote from President Calvin Coolidge since the words of this great Conservative harmonize with yours:

American institutions rest solely on good citizenship. They were created by people who had a background of self-government. New arrivals should be limited to our capacity to absorb them into the ranks of good citizenship. America must be kept American. For this purpose it is necessary to continue a policy of restricted immigration.

It would be well to make such immigration of a selective nature with some inspection at the source, and based either on a prior census or upon the record of naturalization. Either method would insure the admission of those with the largest capacity and best intention of becoming citizens. Those who do not want to be partakers of the American spirit ought not to settle in America.

This is from his 6 December 1923 address to Congress.

26 posted on 06/18/2014 11:43:38 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: alloysteel

We do know a lot from various random looks, and it isn’t usually pretty.


27 posted on 06/18/2014 11:43:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Many Latinos are faithful Catholics. If the Cardinal were to say what sort of politician should be voted for, without even having to name names, a lot of the Latinos would vote for that politician. Even if only ten percent of the estimated 12 million amnestied illegals were to respond, although I think the number would be higher, that’s over a million concentrated votes.

In a body like Congress, a small band of united politicians can get a lot done if they are committed to sticking together.


28 posted on 06/18/2014 11:48:52 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: re_nortex

And how quickly that all went kaput with the Great Crash.


29 posted on 06/18/2014 11:49:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Jonty30

Ain’t that a bit like getting blacks to vote for a Republican?


30 posted on 06/18/2014 11:49:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t think so.

Blacks who do not vote Republican are being non-thinking reactionaries.

Latinos, who vote based on a pastoral recommendation are just being faithful Catholics.


31 posted on 06/18/2014 11:54:55 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

There is a path that seems right to man....

Even the Catholics are giving us intellectually dishonest labels like “racists” even though many on our side have explained our reasoning well enough that any halfway intelligent person could understand.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 12:21:50 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Perhaps Cardinal O'Malley could understand this. Let's say the Protestant I am wanted to walk into a Catholic Church and demand several things be granted immediately because I walked through the door and was not caught. First demand would be communion, next would be immediate membership in the RCC and doing nothing but walking through the door and demanding it.

Next on my list of demands Protestant traditions be allowed. Say this is a Catholic Church? So what? Are you prejudice or something Cardinal? Next what if I demanded that I could take the churches money it uses for it's mission purposes, take the job of the janitor who is supporting 8 kids because I work cheaper, use the fired janitor or Cardinals identity in all my credit and public assistance applications etc. He would be outraged and say we have set rules set by the church which you must follow to be a member of the church. Exactly my point.

The United States of America has had long established laws on entry and citizenship being granted and certain requirements to be met. Just like your church Cardinal we have established an orderly process for citizenship or being allowed to stay and work in the U.S. It is fair and if government applied & enforced it correctly it would benefit all including ones wishing to immigrate and become American Citizens.

We require by law our kids learn a minimal history of our nation, it's government, and it's election process. This process takes our kids 12 years usually.

Right now because immigration laws are not being enforced we have a rise in diseases we had eliminated through our national vaccine, public health laws, and education as to how to prevent the spread of diseases. TB had almost been eliminate as well as many serious childhood diseases. TB certainly wasn't common anymore.

How can you deal with a culture that will not even take prescribed medications for diseases like TB and by taking them only partially and not following up closely with doctors as we must do as citizens creates TB Super Bugs. Cardinal would you allow such to take communion and in good conscience before GOD give communion then to the next person from that same vessel? Well would you? We also have a strain on our health care system and public assistance programs because immigration laws are not being enforced.

Immigration laws are for the health and welfare of all. The blatant refusal to ignore that and just waltz right on in spits in the face of those of us who face the risk they bring in.

In the service because I was deployed first to South America then to Europe I had to under go extensive vaccines. It was to protect me, my shipmates, and my family, upon my return home. Remember as well Immigrants used to have to go through Ellis Island or similar processing stations.

Your church sets forth rules and laws to protect your church. We set forth laws in this nation to protect our citizens. Let's see you surrender your churches laws first? No?

No church leaders in any church should be encouraging illegal entry into the United States. For those persecuted for religious or political beliefs we have a system for that as well. This has become a cartel funded invasion of the United States.

33 posted on 06/19/2014 12:22:26 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In that case, may I suggest that 40% of every Sundays offering go to support these “innocent” law breakers?


34 posted on 06/19/2014 12:22:50 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: re_nortex

I would like to see immigration just halted for a few decades.

In other words, just a few 10s of thousands for those little situations that need to be handled, but the end of mass immigration measured by hundreds of thousands.


35 posted on 06/19/2014 12:45:45 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Jonty30
Latinos, who vote based on a pastoral recommendation are just being faithful Catholics.

Nonsense.

1) Pastors will NEVER give out a specific politician name to vote for. They know that to do this explicitly would destroy the church's tax-free status, and rightly so.

2) Latinos in the aggregate will NEVER vote for anyone other than who's proposing the biggest government. They vote for the Dems over the GOP by a factor of up to 5:1!!

Don't believe me? READ THIS.

36 posted on 06/19/2014 12:58:17 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian

I never said pastors would have to give names. They just have to give characteristics of whole to vote. For example, supporting church interests.

As I said, even if only a fraction of church-going Latinos listen to the pastor, it’s still a concentration of political power.


37 posted on 06/19/2014 1:11:42 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Yossarian

But you’re welcome to believe the Catholic church supports amnesty for all the godly and upstanding reasons, as opposed to for the simple naked grab of power.


38 posted on 06/19/2014 1:13:33 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ansel12
I am against amnesty for illegal immigrants.

What the pro-amnesty people forget to mention: There are millions of children in Asia and Africa who also desperately want to come to the United States, but the oceans stop them from doing so.

So is it fair to let these illegal immigrants from Latin America free admission when millions of desperate children in Asia and Africa want to come to the United States also? Sad this Obama administration.

39 posted on 06/19/2014 1:39:42 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In a recent interview with the Daily Beast that focused on the “bigotry” and “xenophobia” of Americans who are opposed to amnesty for illegal immigrants, Boston archbishop Cardinal Sean O’Malley said, “Obviously, the fear is not rational, and I think we are dealing with it in an irrational way.”

What is irrational about using common sense, Cardinal Sean O'Malley? Are we to ignore the law and blend the difference between legal and illegal immigration? Common sense says to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into this country.

The first and only priority on the short term is to secure our borders. After our borders are secured, then and only then, should we deal with the tens of millions of illegal immigrants already here.

The second priority will be to identify and deport the criminals and criminal element among the illegals, like gangs, drug dealers, murderers, etc.

The third priority is to come up with a compassionate and fair way to deal with the hard working families who jumped the line to get into our country. How are we treating those who waited in line by rewarding those who jumped the line, Cardinal Sean O'Malley?

40 posted on 06/19/2014 2:17:08 AM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The reason we have 11 million undocumented workers here is because we need them,” said O’Malley.

Peculiar how he uses a decade old number of illegal aliens...when it is known the true number is over 20 million.

Peculiar how he doesn’t conflate the issues of abortion, euthanasia, infanticide and an apathetic work ethic among the entitlement welfare loafers as the reason we may have the “need” for the illegal aliens. Of course, he is from communist Massachusetts, though, where the dubious untruths will never be questioned.


41 posted on 06/19/2014 2:34:17 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo

When has anyone here ever thought that a “government produced” estimate of anything being controlled. History has shown us that government is ALWAYS off by a factor of at least two - and many times, much much more than that.

My guess is there are at least 30-50 million of those criminals here.


42 posted on 06/19/2014 2:48:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Jonty30

“If the Cardinal were to say what sort of politician should be voted for, without even having to name names, a lot of the Latinos would vote for that politician. Even if only ten percent of the estimated 12 million amnestied illegals were to respond, although I think the number would be higher, that’s over a million concentrated votes.”

The fact that Dems safely carry “Catolic” areas makes this terrifying; with few exceptions, the American Catholic hierarchy won’t direct voters to issues that are central to Church teaching (protecting the family, representing Catholic schools, etc.).


43 posted on 06/19/2014 3:45:20 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Jonty30

“Many Latinos are faithful Catholics.”

I doubt the Church leadership echoes that sentiment; I don’t see them supporting parishes financially. In my limited experience (here in North Ecuador, NJ), they are “Catholic” as long as their children receive Catholic educations at deep discounts (subsidized by the dwindling population of aging whites). Once the school closes or children graduate, they go back to being leftist deists...


44 posted on 06/19/2014 3:51:18 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There was a time, in most of our lifetimes, when Christian clergy showed their devotion by doing missionary work in the 3rd World.

There they made the sacrifice and lived in 3rd world conditions among those they sought to save.

But not now! Christian clergy no longer put themselves through no such hardship and sacrifice - instead they import the 3rd World and 3rd World conditions here to the US - so they can remain in their ivory-towers and preach to the Americans they are forcing to live in US neighborhoods deteriorating to 3rd World conditions.

Instead, they advocate that the “xenophobic” every day Americans face the hardships and make the sacrifice.

45 posted on 06/19/2014 4:03:53 AM PDT by drpix
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

I am sorry you left. I too disagree with the “social justice” crowd in the Church; however, when you leave the fight you have conceded defeat. You are part of the Church and your input is invaluable.


46 posted on 06/19/2014 4:10:40 AM PDT by Machavelli (True God)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So if your wife was not born in this country, and is against illegal immigration, is she “hateful and fearful against foriegners” too?

How do you explain it when legal immigrants take a stand against illegal immigration? How do you explain with “HATE” when a legal immigrant (who btw still has issues speaking English without an accent) gets angry because she can’t understand the jibberish illegals working at McDonalds speak?


47 posted on 06/19/2014 4:42:51 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

...America full of freeloading, low information DemocRAT voters who can’t speak English would be the end of freedom and what was once the greatest country on the planet.

***
That is the plan, comrade.


48 posted on 06/19/2014 5:15:15 AM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: icwhatudo

Naturalized US citizens are some of the most patriotic Americans you can find. Followed closely by 1st generation Americans.


49 posted on 06/19/2014 5:23:16 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (June IS "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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Hey Cardinals, Bishops and Priests!

Why aren’t you telling the faithful that all RATs and most RINOs are faggot-loving baby-killers?


50 posted on 06/19/2014 5:27:58 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (June IS "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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