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Business wants immigration reform. Why? Because they can't find enough workers
CNN ^

Posted on 07/11/2014 7:42:28 PM PDT by TigerClaws

As the nation deals with an immigration crisis at its borders, businesses are stepping up their calls for reform.

The Obama administration is desperately trying to deal with the influx of tens of thousands of unaccompanied children crossing into the United States.

The crisis may deflect Congress' attention away from doing anything meaningful over the nation's immigration laws, said Thomas Donohue, CEO of the Chamber of Commerce, which represents the largest U.S. businesses. But the group still renewed its push for immigration reform.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


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To: TigerClaws

Funny, there’s lots of qualified, credentialed people over 50 who can’t find work.


41 posted on 07/11/2014 8:39:24 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: TigerClaws

IOW, at that price


42 posted on 07/11/2014 8:43:30 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Get rid of "birthright citizenship" Out of room . . . no mas)
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To: TigerClaws

Total BS. How much thicker can CNN lay it on?


43 posted on 07/11/2014 9:16:12 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: TigerClaws

For a capitalistic system to survive, the middle class needs to thrive and be able to consume beyond the basic necessities. The age of automation and technology in general has made productivity go up while wages and labor go down. Capital investors and stock holders and CEOs are reaping the benefits of this process that continues to scale.

They also use regulatory capture and monopoly behavior to shut out small businesses and job creators to lock in their profits. At some point, drunk on more and more profits, they will cut their own throats as they destroy the middle class. Of course, greed and stupidity will trump logic and strategic planning leading to a work force collapse before they clue in to the consequences of their behavior. We are in a transition state based on technology that requires different thinking than what worked for the industrial age.


44 posted on 07/11/2014 9:21:40 PM PDT by Gen-X-Dad
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To: Fee
I have been hiring H1B for 20 years. I have never heard of this. I normally hire people who have come to America on education visas. They are in the united states before I interview them. I test every applicant. Americans rarely pass the test. An American with good technical skills usually moves above programmer very quickly. And will be six figures in no time. But I need programmers.

The test is simple. Can you query a SQL database. Can you debug a line of code. If you notice and fix the other obvious flaws in the line of code and query the database in an efficient manner we hire you. We don't care if you speak English. We need a hundred more like you.

H1B lasts 3 years and you can renew for another 3 years. At sometime in the process if you are an employee in good standing we apply for a green card. That process can take three years. All the visas cost the company over $5000. The worker has to pay something as well.

All employees are free will. We do not pay anyone but the employee. And we HAVE TO PAY THE RATE THE GOVERNMENT SETS. Which is now $80,000 in Chicago. Its the law. If we don't do it, we can be sued. And worse, we will not be able to hire H1Bs anymore. The employees can get another job at anytime. The visa can be transferred if the employee quits to work somewhere else.

For an H1B or green card we have to post the job with the pay. If anyone can pass the test we have to hire them which we do. But we still hire the H1B candidate as well because its so hard to find good programmers.

I would love to hire Americans instead. They speak English.
I don't have to pay for the H1B and green card process. And I can explain things easier to them.

I think what you are describing could be true of contract programmers. We never use them. I don't think its true. But I could not be sure. And in that case the company providing the contract programmers would be breaking the law. Also, it could be true for the outsourced programmers who live in China and India. Who knows what happens there. But both those cases would go away if more programmers were available.

Let me just say that bad programmers are worth less than nothing to me. They do bad work which has to be thrown out and replaced. And in the process many testers and project managers have to double their efforts and time. Don't try and tell me that there are lots of Americans you can train. Your wrong. Its like hiring someone off the street and making them the starting pitcher for a major league team.

If you want to hire Americans, start by firing teachers. Most teachers have soft degrees, English, history, education. These people cannot teach math above the 5th grade. I know they do. But they do not do it well. Americans should be learning calculus by Freshman year. That means algebra and geometry before high school. And they should take logic or programming starting in 5th grade as well. Our teachers generally suck at this. And of course they should. Since they have never taken a real math class after high school.

45 posted on 07/11/2014 9:22:37 PM PDT by poinq
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To: poinq

When I was in Chicago I could have taken your test, blown it away, and still ask only five figures. Where on earth were you?


46 posted on 07/11/2014 9:25:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: GeronL
When companies place an add that they are hiring a line forms out the door. I would like to know
which companies are not advertising and making these BS claims.
47 posted on 07/11/2014 9:27:41 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: MaxMax

After taking all those applications and stuff, they will tell the government that nobody who is qualified was found and request an H1B visa.


48 posted on 07/11/2014 9:29:40 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: TigerClaws

I’m certain that Microsoft will be hiring these illegals. Screw you gates..


49 posted on 07/11/2014 9:29:41 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

I was in Cupertino a few months ago at a meeting with Apple. Beautiful facilities with 10 asian folks representing Apple and two Americans. The Americans were the lawyer and the marketing guy. All these asians were extremely well paid with great facilities, free food, they owned great cars. I saw no slavery. I also saw no technical Americans either.


50 posted on 07/11/2014 9:36:01 PM PDT by poinq
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To: llevrok

that’s really it right there. Nobody accepts that most of us have to start at the bottom and work our way up and that life is hard, unfair, and frequently unforgiving of mistakes. The hard truth is is that true conservative values are the only thing that will save a poor boy in this Barackalypse. For most poor folks, drinking from the Democrat’s cup of poison will, at best, provide you a life of medicrity. at worst, it will lead you to utter ruin and disaster.


51 posted on 07/11/2014 9:41:42 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

I’m not sure that’s true for technical workers. But I would say that I have seen lots of tech workers quit because they can easily get work. And the taxes are so high that they can quit to travel or ski or something for an extended period of time and then get a job when the money runs out. There are lots of web-sites dedicated to this.

These people may be able to get unemployment if they are let go. But they can’t quit. I have seen young people just quit a six figure job. They point out that they can’t take home very much because of taxes. And they would like to hike Machu Picchu while they are still young. And off they go.

I know they really do it to. Because they send back pictures for a year. Sometimes they come back and sometimes they move to another city.


52 posted on 07/11/2014 9:46:48 PM PDT by poinq
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To: Mears

You are right. I can’t spell my way out of a paper bag. But I got a Math, Statistics and Computer Science degree. My take home has been over $500K for quite awhile until I quit because of high taxes. While I was working I had people proof my writing for me. I miss that.


53 posted on 07/11/2014 9:51:32 PM PDT by poinq
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To: Jim from C-Town

I know the farmers have a different gig. They can hire migrant workers with no IDs. I think the meat processing plants do it too. Not sure why they get away with it.

But those are not tech jobs. I was referring to tech jobs. Those are the immigrants we need.


54 posted on 07/11/2014 9:55:49 PM PDT by poinq
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To: Age of Reason

If they can write a SQL query and they know how to write web apps or mobile apps I am sure they can find work.

Credentials are not very valuable. I got my degree in 1984. The world has changed. And few software firms believe in computer related credentials. They can be bought.

Can they pass a test on the newer technology? Do you have have business knowledge that you can add to your technical knowledge? If yes. They should be able to find work.


55 posted on 07/11/2014 10:03:03 PM PDT by poinq
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To: poinq

The technical Americans where fired after they trained the Asians. The Lawyers would be fired if they could be replaced by H1B1 holders as well.


56 posted on 07/11/2014 10:04:25 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: poinq

I do my own proof reading. And it shows!


57 posted on 07/11/2014 10:06:41 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Give me a resume and I will send it in. If you can pass the test you will be offered $80K. If you have 5 years of experience you will get $100K. We are hiring now. We have no limit to the number of good programmers. If we can find them we can hire them.


58 posted on 07/11/2014 10:12:46 PM PDT by poinq
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To: MaxMax

Monster.com and Careerbuilder.com both have hundreds of tech job postings. Dice.com and several others have them too. Also try Linkedin.


59 posted on 07/11/2014 10:15:28 PM PDT by poinq
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To: Jim from C-Town

I have a skill that normally works as a curse. I can read right over any flaw, getting the gist of the writing, no matter the number of errors. But, that means I am a horrible proof reader. I have noticed there are lots of people (mostly male) who are just like me. I wish I was a better proofer.


60 posted on 07/11/2014 10:28:47 PM PDT by poinq
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