Skip to comments.Ron Paul, Obama: Different Guys, Same Foreign Policy (Long Article)
Posted on 07/13/2014 4:32:43 AM PDT by Kaslin
Flattus wrote: It's funny to watch Cons attempt to portray this disaster in Iraq as Obama's issue. Sorry, no sale. Thinking Americans know whose war this is. But it's not surprising to see you run from it. From Ron Paul's column today, referring to Necons:
"They cannot admit they were wrong about the invasion being a cakewalk that would pay for itself, so they want to blame last week's events on the 2011 US withdrawal from Iraq. But the trouble started with the 2003 invasion itself, not the 2011 troop withdrawal. Anyone who understands cause and effect should understand this."-- Welcome Our Newest Ally! Iran!
Dear Comrade Flattass,
Doctor Ron Buy Gold at Any Price Paul is an interesting man. Very smart too.
But hes no historian. Or investor.
Half the time I dont even think hes sane.
Why is it that libertarians have given themselves over to a man that they treat more as Saint Paul than they do as just another man?
Because what "Saint" Paul has written about the Iraq war isnt Gospel. It is even accurate.
The trouble in Iraq didnt start in 2003, or in 1990the First Gulf Waror with the toppling of the Shah of Iran in 1979. Or in operation Ajax in 1953 when we deposed the government of Iran and installed the Shah in its place.
Everything in history is part of what came before it.
I have no problem admitting that the Bush administration was wrong in portraying the war as a cakewalk. War should never be declared while dismissing the many disappointments and many unpleasant surprises, that Churchill warned was attendant upon any war. I said this at the time.
War rarely goes as one would wish.
As one Lt. General told me: We had a plan. And it was almost like they purposefully [screwed] it up.
If the second Bush administration made a long-lasting, salient case for American involvement in the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, I dont remember it.
But for Doctor Ron Buy Gold at Any Price Paul to sit back and say the THATS the problem in Iraq now, is either willful ignorance or lack of vision.
Heres the problem in Iraq: They have ten percent of the worlds oil reserves. And there have been, in my lifetime, three powers tussling over the control of the region.
The first is the Soviet Union, popularly styled as Russia today.
The next is Islamic militants, who you cant be rooting forI mean you can be for them, but see the insanity defense about Doctor Ron Buy Gold at Any Price Paul above.
And finally there have been secular dictators, who from time to time have received support from the U.S.
Now you may argue that we should butt out of the Middle East, as Obama and Doctor Ron Buy Gold at Any Price Paul argue, saying: Let them sort it out internally.
But that ignores one reality you cant get past: What is in the best interest of the United States of America?
My America is a great country. My America held fair and free elections in Iraq, a first in the Middle East outside of Israel. My America is a voice of peacefulrelatively speakingchange for Arabs who, just like you, covet freedom-- no matter what urban hipster doofuses like you say.
Is freedom just an American birthright that liberty snobs like you inherited from the blood bought by better men than you?
I dont think so. I think freedom is inalienable.
That means it applies to Iraqis as it does to members of inconsequential third parties like libertarians, who too often just hide their mediocrity behind non-conformity.
Real reform is accomplished by staying and fighting.
There is only one right part of this debate.
If this world is to survive the next 100 years, other countries would do better to imitate the United Statesthe totality of our national experience, not the last 20 yearsthan to stick to their outmoded, old fashioned concepts of global real-politik.
The worst misfortune to fall on Iraq was Saddam Hussein.
One might argue that invading Iraq to get rid of him was a mistake. But that doesnt make leaving Iraq afterward right, either by logic or morality. Nor does it make it in the best interest of the United States.
I would like the rest of the world to enjoy the blessings that an old-fashioned butt whopping gave both Germany and Japan.
I want a world that looks more like America, not less.
That, not nuclear-free zones, or cutting carbon, or making marijuana legal, is how the next century will be decided.
And make no mistake: Withdrawing from the world wont make it safer for us. It will just mean we have fewer allies, if any, when the fight comes to your front door.
Rand Paul will not be president of the United States, yet alone GOP nominee, if he follows his father's foreign policy proclivities.
Or are you too busy reading that phony Ayn Rand to know this?
TG2711 wrote: you will never gain peace by dropping bombs or selling guns. -- Welcome Our Newest Ally! Iran!
Dear Comrade 2711,
I definitely think we should have stayed in Iraq. And by “we”, I mean sombebody else, just like 99% of Americans who hold the same opinion. And don’t ask me to pay for it either. Or for the care of the Veterans coming back. But I will put a bumper sticker on my car. Doing my part, doncha know.
We should have definitely stayed longer
Dear Brother Dan,
Reverend Wright said G@ddam America.
I say G@ddam Liberals.
They are the number one abusers of human rights ever.
They traffic in human beings just the same way a pimp does, getting them hooked and then defeated and demoralized. This is especially true with illegal immigration. Immigrants are here illegally for only one reason: Liberals from both parties wish for them to be here illegally.
So, yeah: G@ddam the Liberals.
I cant. But someone wiser than I needs to.
[ I can't comment here as there is really nothing more to say ]
When did you start building your strawman factory? Can I order a readymade strawman for any topic?
What strawman? If we are to have a military presence in Iraq, that takes money and personnel.
DO NOT TRUST RAND PAUL!
I’m sure Mr. Ransom humself will be in Iraq soon, fighting for all the freedom over there. I look forward to his dispatches from Mosul.
A Paulie who is ticked at the author
Make that ticked off at the author
The Paul family has issues
Note: this topic is from 7/13/2014 . Thanks Kaslin.from the FRchives:
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