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15 Reasons Why the Pro-Life Movement is Winning on Abortion
Life News ^ | 7/16/14 | Jill Stanek

Posted on 07/16/2014 9:01:31 AM PDT by wagglebee

On the occasion of the 40th anniversary of Roe v Wade in January 2013, Time magazine published a surprising and iconic cover story about how the pro-choice side has been losing ever since it thought it won in 1973. The reasons Time listed were spot on:

  1. Pro-life laws
  2. Public sentiment
  3. Pro-abortion generational in-fighting
  4. Playing defense (defending the status quo)
  5. Science
  6. Stigma
  7. Aging abortionists

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Indeed, abortion advocates have been in an admitted state of panic for quite some time over building pro-life momentum.

But within the past several days two abortion advocates have separately admitted their side is losing…

Other recent abortion articles have hit on the same theme…

Here are 15 reasons why abortion proponents think pro-lifers are crushing them, as lifted from the aforementioned abortion articles. A couple were included in Time’s list, but most are in addition:

  1. Obama’s election and reelection prompted pro-life groups to focus on state avenues to pass legislation rather than federal.
  2. Due to the Republican wave of 2010, in part in response to Obama’s election in 2008, there has indeed been a huge spike in pro-life laws passed on the state level - 226 since 2011, more than the entire previous three decades combined.
  3. The convoluted passage of Obamacare in 2010 was “rocket fuel” to the pro-life movement, writes Kliff, quoting Americans United for Life’s Charmaine Yoest, which led to the introduction of some of those bills.
  4. A profusion of abortion clinic closures, 81 in 2013 alone, according to Operation Rescue. The number of abortion clinics has decreased by 73% to 759 from a high of 2,176 in 1991.
  5. Moves to defund Planned Parenthood.
  6. The Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision.
  7. The Supreme Court’s buffer zone decision.
  8. The abortion lobby’s inability to reframe the debate into one about discrimination. “Unfortunately, even the name ‘pro-choice’ reinforces that the movement is about acts and not identity,” writes Michaelson.
  9. The abortion lobby’s inability to reframe the issue into one all can relate to.
  10. The abortion lobby’s shortage of poster children. Sandra Fluke, for instance, was a dud.
  11. Their opponents (us!) are “sophisticated… smart and methodical,” according to Michaelson.
  12. Even liberals as a political body aren’t united in support of abortion, because as Michaelson admits, “Abortion is a kind of murder.” Ew.
  13. No Fortune 500 corporations are lining up to support abortion, as they are with the homosexual lobby, which would bring “movement dollars and public awareness,” writes Michaelson.
  14. “Feminism has an image problem,” writes Michaelson.
  15. Religion: “Secular arguments about the separation of church and state may play well to the base,” writes Michaelson. “But they don’t move the middle.”

In a nutshell, quoting VanEgeren:

Whether it’s through hundreds of laws passed at the state level or the recent Hobby Lobby decision that allows companies to deny birth control coverage to employees on religious grounds, the pro-life movement is on a winning streak over access to abortions and birth control.

“It’s kind of like waiting for the other shoe to drop,” said Elizabeth Nash, state issues manager with the Guttmacher Institute, a think-tank focused on sexual and reproductive health policy. “I’m not entirely sure what will happen next.”

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Well, here’s another shoe, impossible for abortion proponents to fill. Quoting Sarah Weddington (pictured), the lawyer who successfully persuaded the Supreme Court in Roe v Wade, speaking at an event on July 12, via KnoxNews.com:

“Today, the young people are so much further (along) than I was at their age,” she said. “They speak more languages. They go on more trips. They have to show me how to use my iPhone … but one of the things we haven’t quite managed to do is to give them the same burning motivation to change things that we believe are wrong in the way that we did.”

In other words, the pro-choice crowd has no rear guard. They killed them.

LifeNews.com Note: Jill Stanek fought to stop “live birth abortions” after witnessing one as an RN at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois. That led to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act legislation, signed by President Bush, that would ensure that proper medical care be given to unborn children who survive botched abortion attempts.


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Unfortunately, I don't think any of this will matter until pro-lifers fully embrace personhood. States can pass all the so-called anti-abortion laws they want; however they are invariably filled with all sorts of "and then you can kill the baby" loopholes and the slaughter of nearly 4000 innocent babies per day continues.
1 posted on 07/16/2014 9:01:31 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 07/16/2014 9:02:00 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 07/16/2014 9:02:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
I am ok with pro life incrementalism. One of the things we have to fight is the self rationalization of people who have had abortions. Every incremental win reduces the number of abortions, and the number of women who have to justify it. It then becomes more and more rare, and more restrictions can be placed on it until it whithers and dies.
4 posted on 07/16/2014 9:17:13 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: wagglebee

The pro-life movement may be “winning” marginally on abortion but it is losing on abortifacients by a much larger number. Net result is a loss.


5 posted on 07/16/2014 9:24:08 AM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: wagglebee

But the culture has shifted.

I remember as a kid where every dang show on TV had a heroic woman killing her child.

Now you have most of the characters keeping them. You have openly pro life messages on secular shows.

I suspect it is because of two things.
1. Woman do not have the same amount of shame for having a child out of wedlock. For that matter, being married is outside the experience of a great many people today, it is becoming a luxury good.

2. People can see that killing a child is really killing a child. The baby isn’t a blob of tissue, it is baby. With the rise of miscarriage support groups and such, many are starting to think of a child as a child, not a parasite.

We have lost marriage, but we might just win on abortion.


6 posted on 07/16/2014 9:24:15 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: steve86

Even that is starting to change.

I know of a number of women who have gone off the pill because of the side effects, and that it will kill a child.

Like abortion, there is a slow shift going on.


7 posted on 07/16/2014 9:25:10 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wagglebee

But this is at least a good start. More can and ought to be done.

What is truly needed is spiritual conversion to the Lord longterm.


8 posted on 07/16/2014 9:27:05 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: redgolum

We haven’t lost marriage. If anything, winning on abortion is likely to result in a win on marriage. Imho.


9 posted on 07/16/2014 9:28:37 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Long term maybe.

Right now, there is little association between having children and marriage. More and more women have children outside of marriage, with little or no thought of marriage. They would like to get married, someday, but for a large portion that will be impossible because of the cut in benefits, willing partners, etc.


10 posted on 07/16/2014 9:33:59 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

I attended a wedding Saturday, so perhaps I am a bit optimistic.


11 posted on 07/16/2014 9:36:01 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
Personhood is the bottom line legitimization of the pro-life position, but it isn't a strategy that has worked so far.

In the meantime, incremental restrictions have contributed to the necessary task of educating and winning over the hearts and minds of the people. Abortions are becoming fewer, both as a ratio of the population and in absolute numbers despite growing population. There are many factors, including better contraception use and less sex among ignorant young people.

Overall however as Weddington laments, the next generation is not inflamed with hateful feminist ideology. They are open to the plain facts of abortion, and most are repulsed by it.

12 posted on 07/16/2014 9:40:12 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Vince Ferrer
Every incremental win reduces the number of abortions,

Throughout the past forty-one years there have been some drops, but then it goes back up.

The sad reality is that the number of babies murdered in the United States will reach 57 MILLION tomorrow morning.

Abortion Clock

13 posted on 07/16/2014 9:46:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Personhood is the bottom line legitimization of the pro-life position, but it isn't a strategy that has worked so far.

But I believe it is the only one that can actually work.

There were any number of efforts to reduce, contain and eradicate slavery before the Civil War. But in the end it was only total and immediate emancipation that worked.

Anti-Slavery William Lloyd Garrison Instructs Us

14 posted on 07/16/2014 9:51:23 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Biggirl

Biggirl

You are exactly right once you recognize the Lord and begin to live by his word, no amount of pro-choice propaganda will ever make you support that side; it fact just the opposite happens and it makes you want to join the pro-life community to fight for the innocents.


15 posted on 07/16/2014 10:11:59 AM PDT by ProudChrwm
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To: wagglebee

IMHO legal right to abortion has kept the Dem ranks down, do the GOP really want them to keep and raise their kids to be future Dem voters if abortion is made illegal? Old Tzu Strategem, let your enemies keep doing stupid things. Ever saw the video of the liberal girl who attacked a group of pro Life people and display on a street in Ohio. Imagine if she was forced to keep her out of wedlock child. Imagine what that child be like if she with her facist liberal attitude raised it to adult hood. Or worst has several out of wedlock babies and raised them up to be like her facist liberal mindset. Let your adversaries kill their young, just remember to keep yours and raise them to love their unborn.


16 posted on 07/16/2014 10:29:07 AM PDT by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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IMHO legal right to abortion has kept the Dem ranks down, do the GOP really want them to keep and raise their kids to be future Dem voters if abortion is made illegal? Old Tzu Strategem, let your enemies keep doing stupid things. Ever saw the video of the liberal girl who attacked a group of pro Life people and display on a street in Ohio. Imagine if she was forced to keep her out of wedlock child. Imagine what that child be like if she with her facist liberal attitude raised it to adult hood. Or worst has several out of wedlock babies and raised them up to be like her facist liberal mindset. Let your adversaries kill their young, just remember to keep yours and raise them to love their unborn.

This is a disturbingly pro-abortion and pro-eugenics position.

17 posted on 07/16/2014 10:38:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: redgolum

‘Right now, there is little association between having children and marriage. More and more women have children outside of marriage, with little or no thought of marriage. They would like to get married, someday, but for a large portion that will be impossible because of the cut in benefits, willing partners, etc.’

I have noticed this same trend especially among the young. They do not respect their girlfriends and if you think about it even if you father a child why marry the girl and tie your permanently to her, the child will do that but many doubt that the child is even theirs. Most all relationships seem to be, by both parties, knowingly temporary.


18 posted on 07/16/2014 10:41:36 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Fee

You can keep your inner abortionist urges to yourself or you can post elsewhere.


19 posted on 07/16/2014 10:42:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: wagglebee

The article is propaganda.

But your first comment on the thread nails it.


20 posted on 07/16/2014 10:43:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: wagglebee

21 posted on 07/16/2014 10:46:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wagglebee

I disagree. Abortion is a tough sell, period. It’s an incredibly emotional decision, and then there is the internet. On the internet are the testimonials of 1000’s of people who have had abortions and regret it.

Gosnell is going to also put a huge dent in abortions. That movie, when it comes out, is going to be an internet hit. Nowadays, people look at women who get pregnant by accident and call them idiots - especially teenagers. They have no problem calling out a pregnant girl and saying, “You’ve heard of the pill, right? How about the morning after pill? Are you new?”

There are a lot more adopted kids around than there ever has been too.


22 posted on 07/16/2014 10:51:55 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Thanks EV.
23 posted on 07/16/2014 10:55:10 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson

In a cultural war between pro life and abortionists, numbers on each side do count in elections, you got to admit my argument does have some merit. If you ever watch the movie The Godfather, Don Corleone had to deal with the subject of drugs. He knew it was lucrative but it also can affect his Italian community. He was forced to relent, as long as his subordinates kept it out of the Italian neighborhoods. Like the strategic Don said, sell it to the others, let them lose their souls. Abortion is abhorrent, but if your enemies embrace it let them kill off their young while we raise ours. Never stop your enemies from doing stupid things.


24 posted on 07/16/2014 10:56:13 AM PDT by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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To: Fee
IMHO legal right to abortion has kept the Dem ranks down, do the GOP really want them to keep and raise their kids to be future Dem voters if abortion is made illegal?

Nice argument. /sarc

How about this one...

IMHO legal right to abortion has kept the Dem BLACK POPULATION ranks down, do the GOP really want them to keep and raise their kids to be future Dem BLACK voters if abortion is made illegal?

25 posted on 07/16/2014 10:57:01 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Fee
He was forced to relent, as long as his subordinates kept it out of the Italian neighborhoods.

So abortion is fine as long as we keep it out of our neighborhoods.

Hoo boy.

26 posted on 07/16/2014 10:59:43 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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In a cultural war between pro life and abortionists, numbers on each side do count in elections, you got to admit my argument does have some merit.

Let's see, in the past 41 years, the Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the White House for about the same amount of time with a slight edge to the GOP and the Democrats have controlled Congress and the Senate for a considerably longer time than the GOP.

And during this time, 57 MILLION INNOCENT AMERICAN BABIES have been slaughtered.

So no, your "numbers matter" argument fails.

If you ever watch the movie The Godfather, Don Corleone had to deal with the subject of drugs. He knew it was lucrative but it also can affect his Italian community. He was forced to relent, as long as his subordinates kept it out of the Italian neighborhoods. Like the strategic Don said, sell it to the others, let them lose their souls.

You seem to overlook the fact that the Godfather was intrinsically evil to begin with (you might recall that in the same scene Blacks are dismissed as "animals").

Again, your we can do it because others have done it approach is immoral.

Abortion is abhorrent, but if your enemies embrace it let them kill off their young while we raise ours.

Abortion is either abhorrent to you or you embrace it -- there can be no middle ground! All you are doing here is parroting the "I'm personally opposed, but..." mantra espoused by the left.

27 posted on 07/16/2014 11:07:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Responsibility2nd
So abortion is fine as long as we keep it out of our neighborhoods.

Which is exactly what Big Murder has done, nearly all abortuaries are in inner city areas that are predominantly black.

28 posted on 07/16/2014 11:10:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Fee

Are you serious? Is this the hill you’re going to die on? If so, post your opus and begone.


29 posted on 07/16/2014 11:13:39 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

A lot of it is fear.

After a few serial romances tank, many think “Why marry? It is cheaper to move out than hire a lawyer”.

There is no real concept of marriage, and hasn’t been for a while.


30 posted on 07/16/2014 11:20:16 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Fee

Only a moral relativist would admit your argument has merit. Among those of us who consider abortion murder your point is contemptuous. Get it?


31 posted on 07/16/2014 11:23:41 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: wagglebee

It also is a pretty common assumption, with some merit.

But here is the problem. It assumes that ones political views are almost 100% genetic, and we need to limit the reproduction of people with the “wrong” views.

Freakonomics made the same argument. The whole of the Dem party platform is based on it.

Except people can and do change. My wife’s family were hard core Democrats (all Catholics in her area had to be). She has never voted for the Dems.


32 posted on 07/16/2014 11:24:52 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Fee; Jim Robinson

Before you go, would you answer one question? Did the original Fee die, and you inherited the computer, already logged in, and ready to post your own opinions? It’s something I always wonder when a long time FReeper says really stupid things.


33 posted on 07/16/2014 11:25:41 AM PDT by BykrBayb (World Lung Cancer Day {WLCD} Aug 1 https://facebook.com/events/309580722464921 ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Sometimes long time FReepers just get stupid. I am living proof.


34 posted on 07/16/2014 11:27:14 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Fee

Are peoples fate determined by their genetics?

I know more than a few children of hard core leftists that are more conservative than most, and the meme of conservative people going wild and abandoning the faith is based on a lot of truth.


35 posted on 07/16/2014 11:28:22 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

LOL.


36 posted on 07/16/2014 11:29:35 AM PDT by BykrBayb (World Lung Cancer Day {WLCD} Aug 1 https://facebook.com/events/309580722464921 ~ Þ)
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To: Fee

Kill the young of liberal democrat voters because they are statistically more likely to become democrat voters themselves?

That is your “pro-life” mind at work?


37 posted on 07/16/2014 11:29:39 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: All

I think science is a key element.

We WILL have artificial wombs and even fetal transplants.

What happens when a father can sue for custody of the fetus so it can be incubated in an artificial womb? The feminists heads would explode.


38 posted on 07/16/2014 11:32:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BykrBayb

I do recall a long time Freeper gave or sold his account to someone else.

668 The Neighbor of the Beast.

The new owner did OK for awhile, but he posted about what was done in acquiring that nic.

That was the end of that.


39 posted on 07/16/2014 11:36:00 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Since you want to talk political demographics, let us discuss. US population is 65 percent white, 14 percent black, 13 percent hispanic, 3 percent Asian, 3 percent Jewish, 3 percent others. Avg breakdown, amongst Jews and colors for Dem is 2/3 for Dems with hispanics, asians, Jews and 90 percent for Dem amongst blacks. 100 voters, these groups provide 29 Dem voters out of the 51 needed to win a close election. All you need is 22 out of 65 whites to vote Dem to carry the election. The only way white liberals can win is to reach out to minorities with the theme that whites are their enemies and people of color must unite. This has been a good strategy for liberal Dems. 50 percent of the abortions in the US is white and the other half is black/hispanic combination. The whites having abortions are not your conservative whites, but rather moderate/liberal whites. Abortion impacts the Dem demographic coalition more then the conservative coalition. What is riding in this cultural war is not abortion alone, but our economic system and personal liberties. The coalition that supports abortion also supports issues that is the opposite to what most prolife people believe in and trying to preserve. The US has become a divided nation, every election is becoming a hard knuckle affair. Despite control of education, pop culture and MSM, Dems cannot decisively control gov forever because they can barely hobble together a coalition. Abortion has played a behind the scene role (past behvior has come to haunt their present situation). Your post implies that abortion has a black racial dimension, I say yes based on political demographic facts, but not from what your post implies, that I am racially motivated to kill blacks with abortion. Racist no, but I am guilty of being a cold calculating strategic bastard. Wars are won with strategy and tactics, and not principles alone. In terms of winning the war to preserve our free economic system and personal liberties thru close elections, it may be a necessary and useful evil tool to let our enemies inflict on themselves and limit their growth in numbers. While we debate, liberals are on the move to break the demographic deadlock, it is call anmesty and open borders.


40 posted on 07/16/2014 11:38:06 AM PDT by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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To: wagglebee; Fee

That is the faulty argument of the morally squishy leftist, have-their-cake-and-eat-it-too crowd.

All babies in the womb are innocent, and a lot of people who were raised by Democrats (ahem,
cough) came to realize that Godly Conservatism is the only way to live a decent life.

My husband and I were both red diaper babies, and now we are both staunch Conservatives.

How wrong our parents were.


41 posted on 07/16/2014 11:42:25 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: redgolum; Fee; BykrBayb; Louis Foxwell; ansel12; Responsibility2nd
Freakonomics made the same argument. The whole of the Dem party platform is based on it.

It's Darwinian eugenics, it's been the hallmark of the left for over a century.

There is this utopian mindset that if certain elements of society are simply killed off, the world will be a wonderful place.

Sanger and a few others got the ball rolling with the idea that preventing the birth of these "undesirables" would do the trick and then Hitler came along and decided that it made just as much sense to kill the "undesirables" who had already been born.

It's a very slippery slope, but once society decides that things would be better if certain groups of people didn't exist, it always ends badly.

42 posted on 07/16/2014 11:43:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Fee; Responsibility2nd; Jim Robinson; Coleus; narses; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; BykrBayb; ...
What is riding in this cultural war is not abortion alone, but our economic system and personal liberties.

Hey asshole, an innocent American baby is murdered EVERY 24 SECONDS. What about he personal liberty of the 57 MILLION VICTIMS OF THE AMERICAN HOLOCAUST?

Your post implies that abortion has a black racial dimension, I say yes based on political demographic facts, but not from what your post implies, that I am racially motivated to kill blacks with abortion. Racist no, but I am guilty of being a cold calculating strategic bastard.

No, you're just a bastard.

In terms of winning the war to preserve our free economic system and personal liberties thru close elections, it may be a necessary and useful evil tool to let our enemies inflict on themselves and limit their growth in numbers.

That's your thesis, that abortion is a "necessary and useful" tool? Hell, Hillary's "safe and legal and rare" answer was better than that.

I guess this is your opus?

43 posted on 07/16/2014 11:51:35 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Fee
Abortion has played a behind the scene role (past behvior has come to haunt their present situation). Your post implies that abortion has a black racial dimension, I say yes based on political demographic facts, but not from what your post implies, that I am racially motivated to kill blacks with abortion. Racist no, but I am guilty of being a cold calculating strategic bastard. Wars are won with strategy and tactics, and not principles alone. In terms of winning the war to preserve our free economic system and personal liberties thru close elections, it may be a necessary and useful evil tool to let our enemies inflict on themselves and limit their growth in numbers.

I think you are freaking us out, you need some professional help.

44 posted on 07/16/2014 11:52:54 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Fee

well, bye


45 posted on 07/16/2014 11:54:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; TheOldLady
Thanks Jim.
46 posted on 07/16/2014 11:57:26 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Fee
...but I am guilty of being a cold calculating strategic bastard. Wars are won with strategy and tactics, and not principles alone.

If conservatvies abandon their principles; their core values and beliefs, then we are no better than the liberals. Especially when it comes to allowing "the enemy" as you put it, to kill their children by the millions.

47 posted on 07/16/2014 11:57:39 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: ansel12
I think you are freaking us out, you need some professional help.

That last post looked like something from Stormfront.

48 posted on 07/16/2014 11:59:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It did.

It also looked like quite a few foreign policy sites, a few academic sites, and so on.

Heck, there was an official in the news a few months back saying we need to sterilize all people with Type I diabetes. Which would end the Navajo tribe as we know it.


49 posted on 07/16/2014 12:04:48 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wagglebee

Wags, you have such a wonderful way with words.


50 posted on 07/16/2014 12:05:03 PM PDT by BykrBayb (World Lung Cancer Day {WLCD} Aug 1 https://facebook.com/events/309580722464921 ~ Þ)
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