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15 Reasons Why the Pro-Life Movement is Winning on Abortion
Life News ^ | 7/16/14 | Jill Stanek

Posted on 07/16/2014 9:01:31 AM PDT by wagglebee

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Unfortunately, I don't think any of this will matter until pro-lifers fully embrace personhood. States can pass all the so-called anti-abortion laws they want; however they are invariably filled with all sorts of "and then you can kill the baby" loopholes and the slaughter of nearly 4000 innocent babies per day continues.
1 posted on 07/16/2014 9:01:31 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 07/16/2014 9:02:00 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 07/16/2014 9:02:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I am ok with pro life incrementalism. One of the things we have to fight is the self rationalization of people who have had abortions. Every incremental win reduces the number of abortions, and the number of women who have to justify it. It then becomes more and more rare, and more restrictions can be placed on it until it whithers and dies.
4 posted on 07/16/2014 9:17:13 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: wagglebee

The pro-life movement may be “winning” marginally on abortion but it is losing on abortifacients by a much larger number. Net result is a loss.


5 posted on 07/16/2014 9:24:08 AM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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But the culture has shifted.

I remember as a kid where every dang show on TV had a heroic woman killing her child.

Now you have most of the characters keeping them. You have openly pro life messages on secular shows.

I suspect it is because of two things.
1. Woman do not have the same amount of shame for having a child out of wedlock. For that matter, being married is outside the experience of a great many people today, it is becoming a luxury good.

2. People can see that killing a child is really killing a child. The baby isn’t a blob of tissue, it is baby. With the rise of miscarriage support groups and such, many are starting to think of a child as a child, not a parasite.

We have lost marriage, but we might just win on abortion.


6 posted on 07/16/2014 9:24:15 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Even that is starting to change.

I know of a number of women who have gone off the pill because of the side effects, and that it will kill a child.

Like abortion, there is a slow shift going on.


7 posted on 07/16/2014 9:25:10 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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But this is at least a good start. More can and ought to be done.

What is truly needed is spiritual conversion to the Lord longterm.


8 posted on 07/16/2014 9:27:05 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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We haven’t lost marriage. If anything, winning on abortion is likely to result in a win on marriage. Imho.


9 posted on 07/16/2014 9:28:37 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Long term maybe.

Right now, there is little association between having children and marriage. More and more women have children outside of marriage, with little or no thought of marriage. They would like to get married, someday, but for a large portion that will be impossible because of the cut in benefits, willing partners, etc.


10 posted on 07/16/2014 9:33:59 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

I attended a wedding Saturday, so perhaps I am a bit optimistic.


11 posted on 07/16/2014 9:36:01 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Personhood is the bottom line legitimization of the pro-life position, but it isn't a strategy that has worked so far.

In the meantime, incremental restrictions have contributed to the necessary task of educating and winning over the hearts and minds of the people. Abortions are becoming fewer, both as a ratio of the population and in absolute numbers despite growing population. There are many factors, including better contraception use and less sex among ignorant young people.

Overall however as Weddington laments, the next generation is not inflamed with hateful feminist ideology. They are open to the plain facts of abortion, and most are repulsed by it.

12 posted on 07/16/2014 9:40:12 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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Every incremental win reduces the number of abortions,

Throughout the past forty-one years there have been some drops, but then it goes back up.

The sad reality is that the number of babies murdered in the United States will reach 57 MILLION tomorrow morning.

Abortion Clock

13 posted on 07/16/2014 9:46:53 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Personhood is the bottom line legitimization of the pro-life position, but it isn't a strategy that has worked so far.

But I believe it is the only one that can actually work.

There were any number of efforts to reduce, contain and eradicate slavery before the Civil War. But in the end it was only total and immediate emancipation that worked.

Anti-Slavery William Lloyd Garrison Instructs Us

14 posted on 07/16/2014 9:51:23 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Biggirl

You are exactly right once you recognize the Lord and begin to live by his word, no amount of pro-choice propaganda will ever make you support that side; it fact just the opposite happens and it makes you want to join the pro-life community to fight for the innocents.


15 posted on 07/16/2014 10:11:59 AM PDT by ProudChrwm
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IMHO legal right to abortion has kept the Dem ranks down, do the GOP really want them to keep and raise their kids to be future Dem voters if abortion is made illegal? Old Tzu Strategem, let your enemies keep doing stupid things. Ever saw the video of the liberal girl who attacked a group of pro Life people and display on a street in Ohio. Imagine if she was forced to keep her out of wedlock child. Imagine what that child be like if she with her facist liberal attitude raised it to adult hood. Or worst has several out of wedlock babies and raised them up to be like her facist liberal mindset. Let your adversaries kill their young, just remember to keep yours and raise them to love their unborn.


16 posted on 07/16/2014 10:29:07 AM PDT by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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IMHO legal right to abortion has kept the Dem ranks down, do the GOP really want them to keep and raise their kids to be future Dem voters if abortion is made illegal? Old Tzu Strategem, let your enemies keep doing stupid things. Ever saw the video of the liberal girl who attacked a group of pro Life people and display on a street in Ohio. Imagine if she was forced to keep her out of wedlock child. Imagine what that child be like if she with her facist liberal attitude raised it to adult hood. Or worst has several out of wedlock babies and raised them up to be like her facist liberal mindset. Let your adversaries kill their young, just remember to keep yours and raise them to love their unborn.

This is a disturbingly pro-abortion and pro-eugenics position.

17 posted on 07/16/2014 10:38:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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‘Right now, there is little association between having children and marriage. More and more women have children outside of marriage, with little or no thought of marriage. They would like to get married, someday, but for a large portion that will be impossible because of the cut in benefits, willing partners, etc.’

I have noticed this same trend especially among the young. They do not respect their girlfriends and if you think about it even if you father a child why marry the girl and tie your permanently to her, the child will do that but many doubt that the child is even theirs. Most all relationships seem to be, by both parties, knowingly temporary.


18 posted on 07/16/2014 10:41:36 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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You can keep your inner abortionist urges to yourself or you can post elsewhere.


19 posted on 07/16/2014 10:42:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: wagglebee

The article is propaganda.

But your first comment on the thread nails it.


20 posted on 07/16/2014 10:43:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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