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Russian Media Blame Ukraine For Plane Disaster
TIME ^ | July 18, 2014 | Charly Wilder

Posted on 07/19/2014 8:48:25 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

Edited on 07/19/2014 8:59:24 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: tcrlaf

BobL, I think you got your accounts mixed up.


41 posted on 07/19/2014 10:43:52 AM PDT by Agog
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To: tcrlaf
This civil war is BECAUSE of that coup

There would be NO "civil war" were Russia not supporting the separatists with weapons and training. And even with that support the separatists have been largely pushed to the Russian border where the core of them remain with the most Russian backing. The anti-air and heavy weapons Putin is providing is the very thing that prevents this "civil war" from ending - and what led to the shooting down of this civilian airliner.

And weren't you one of the people complaining endlessly about Right Sector fascists? This group got next to nothing in terms of votes in the last election. They are minor, insignificant force that got a whopping 2% of the vote.

42 posted on 07/19/2014 10:46:14 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: 1rudeboy

It is Ukraine’s fault; if they weren’t trying to protect their national sovereignty the “separatists’ wouldn’t be motivated to perpetrate such acts! They learned that propaganda lesson from the Palis.


43 posted on 07/19/2014 10:48:33 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: 1rudeboy
Just more incompetence from Putin. Having demonstrated his incompetence in handling the Russian economy/political system and having demonstrated his incompetence in foreign relations, he now takes a stab at public relations.

Another swing and a miss for Putin.

44 posted on 07/19/2014 10:50:51 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Longbow1969

“There would be NO “civil war” were Russia not supporting the separatists with weapons and training.”

Bovine excrement....

Well before that, there would be no civil war if the elected government hadn’t fallen in a violent coup, after early elections had already been called, then members of that same coup government calling for the destruction of the minority culture and language in Ukraine.

Seriously, what did you think was going to happen? The minority was just going to sit there and take it?

YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS. Why the lying?


45 posted on 07/19/2014 10:55:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Well before that, there would be no civil war if the elected government hadn’t fallen in a violent coup

"Well before that" is OVER. We are talking about the here and now you and seem to want to avoid discussing that. There would be NO "civil war" in Ukraine NOW if the nation of Russia under the leadership of Putin were not actively supporting, with weapons and training, these separatists. Period. Heck, some of the leaders of these "separatists" probably aren't even from the Ukraine at all. It looks pretty clear many of them are Russian military/intelligence personnel from Russia itself.

The Russian backed separatists you seem to support just shot down and killed 298 innocent civilians in a commercial airliner. Stop living in the past. This happened NOW. This happened because Putin's Russia has been giving, and possibly helping operate, sophisticated anti-air weapons to these separatists.

Whatever happened in the past, however angry you are about it, there is no doubt the "civil war" would long be over if Russia would stay out of the Ukraine and let them move forward.

46 posted on 07/19/2014 11:14:29 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: 1rudeboy

I am thinking this was Putin’s plan. To take down a civilian passenger jet over Ukraine and then claim Ukraine was attempting to take down Putin’s plane and got the passenger jet instead. Putin would be the hero and Ukrainians the terrorists. Well it backfired on Putin and hopefully this will be the act to take down his house.

That BUK unit is back across Russian border now and I think the number one reason is it has active duty Russian military personnel manning it.


47 posted on 07/19/2014 11:19:14 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Longbow1969

Excellent post to blind backyard Boob...ahh Bob


48 posted on 07/19/2014 11:26:27 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: BobL
By the way, the Middle East would be a MUCH BETTER place right now for Christians, if Putin’s, rather than Hillary’s, policies had been followed.

The dead Christians in Georgia can't ear ya! You going to blame that on Hillabeast? Oh yea I forgot another one of them backyard problems Putin has every right to invade ...ahh I mean deal with...geez your a shitehead!

49 posted on 07/19/2014 11:31:43 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: BobL

It was clearly a BUK missile unit in that photo as a seen in a video. How many of those do you think were in rebel held territory and being trucked yesterday?


50 posted on 07/19/2014 11:37:27 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Predictable responce. First, No more commercial planes should fly near this war zone in the future. Watch as Russia gets ready to send in the troops. One incident from war.


51 posted on 07/19/2014 12:08:10 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Longbow1969

“”Well before that” is OVER.”

No, it isn’t...
Cause = effect
One event leads to another.

To ignore recent history because it doesn’t suit your position or agenda isn’t just stupid, it is disingenuous.


52 posted on 07/19/2014 12:46:11 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: free_life

“How many of those do you think were in rebel held territory and being trucked yesterday?”

Seriously, how do you know WHEN and WHERE it is being trucked? Has it been geo-located by a pro?

Is there a time stamp on the photo, or yesterday’s newspaper next to it? For all we know, that pic could be ten years old.


53 posted on 07/19/2014 12:48:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Comrade tcrlaf is gone ... gone ... gone... but to clear up his subterfuge the truck carrying the BUK in this latest photo claiming to be taking the BUK back to Russian, is the same truck with BUK shown in photo last week claiming it was bringing BUK into rebel held territory. It is a very distinctive truck not a military truck, look at photo. Both photos and video are available at http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.se/


54 posted on 07/19/2014 1:52:22 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: tcrlaf; BobL
I just have to idly ponder about who exactly benefits from this the most.

SQUIRREL!!!

55 posted on 07/19/2014 4:54:01 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: bray
They should change their names to ABC or NBC.

Or CNN or MSNBC.

56 posted on 07/19/2014 9:37:14 PM PDT by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: free_life

Lol, this guy tclaf was obviously a Putin shill. He was making quite a fool of himself, and I have to wonder if this is really the best the Putinista’s can do. The true believers are more quiet this point, but most of the cult of Putin types have been laying low now that it is clear they are responsible for killing 298 innocent civilians on a commercial jet liner.


57 posted on 07/19/2014 10:33:31 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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