Posted on 07/29/2014 8:14:09 AM PDT by xzins
I live in Texas where you see signs in many businesses that read: WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO WITHHOLD SERVICE FROM ANYONE.
Works
If it were me, I’d close my business and relocate it to another state.
If his business does not cross state lines the feds have absolutely no say. The fed has the power to regulate interstate commerce. If it lies strictly within a state the fed should butt out.
“Nice attitude. Brings Paine’s “sunshine soldier, summer patriot” to mind.”
You know, you’re not the first idiot to accuse people of being cowardly because they refuse to follow you as you run straight at a brick wall.
Liberalism, that is the ideology for people who want to blindly pursue their ideals, regardless of whether their tactics will accomplish anything. Conservatism, on the other hand, is pragmatic. We are not supposed to rush off half cocked just because someone suggests a bad plan.
No, it doesn’t. It wouldn’t matter if you have that sign in your window, because they can still sue you, and they can still win. A sign doesn’t stop you from being bound by the same laws as everyone else.
A sign doesn’t stop you from being bound by the same laws as everyone else.
...it might prevail in court, depending of course on the attorneys and the judge...but we could make book that an appellate court would be involved, sooner rather than later...
I don’t think even lower court judges would rule in favor of the business owner in that case. Those cases already wound their way through the system decades ago, so the precedents are too solid for anyone but the Supremes to challenge them now.
Tell you what, if it was me rather than lose my business in fines or go to jail I would agree to make cakes for anyone, but just refuse to decorate it with any markings that imply same sex marriage.
Just don’t offer those markings, only offer normal markings.
A cake is a cake.
To do otherwise is a losing battle that conservatives abandoned in the 1960s.
There is principle and then thereis cutting your nose off...
7. They want America to be more like those other countries, because they are told by the media and their educators that America is capitalist and greedy (RE: Conundrum #1).
Rinse, repeat. The circular logic of leftism.
Just don’t offer those markings, only offer normal markings
...he would be prosecuted under the exact same standard as he is now...
...it’s his refusal to recognize same sex marriage that’s at issue here, completely aside from what kind of cake he bakes...
...I suppose he could bake standard wedding cakes with no decorations at all, straight or gay. but really, who does that in the bakery business...?
I honestly don’t know if there is a legal defense fund.
This is a 1st Amendment freedom of assembly issue. Just as people are free to assemble for the purpose of business, people are also free to not assemble (applying the concepts of freedom of religon and freedom from religion).
The law which forces individuals to assemble against one party’s wishes is a clear violation of that freedom and is therefor unconstitutional.
“According to Alliance Defending Freedom, the reports must include the number of customers declined a wedding cake or any other product. They must also include why it was declined “so to ensure he has fully eliminated his religious beliefs from his business.”
I would farm out the business and specify to the baker with no beliefs, that it be baked with a healthy dose of EX-Lax to be included in the recipe.
I cannot believe this is happening in this country. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
Anybody have the names and phone numbers of the Commission members?
If this man is shut down it is also seizure of private property without due process of law. He should have his day in court in front of a judge and 12 of his peers outside of this county.
I agree. Forcing a Jewish kosher deli to make a ham sandwich is exactly the same. The Jewish butcher says, “I will sell you and meat that I do; But, I don’t even DO ham.” Then he loses his case anyway.
This baker said that he would have sold them ANYTHING that he does do. He just doesn’t DO gay wedding cakes.
So, the homosexuals were not denied the ability to buy. They were denied the ability to force the baker to sell things he doesn’t sell.
It’s not on his menu.
Like asking McDonald’s for an Ostrich Big Mac.
I agree. But that isn’t a victory. I can’t believe this will hold up if it finally reaches the Supreme Court.
I think it can reach the federal system on the basis of first amendment violation required by the state.
He doesn’t make that kind of cake. They are forcing him not only to make that kind of cake, but to express things he doesn’t wish to express on the surface of that cake.
I’m sure he would have been fine with just baking a wedding cake that he normally makes and letting them walk out with it and change the top decoration and add any lettering.
Those would work, but they don’t address the freedom issue.
As I understand it, he offered to sell them a kind of cake that he does do. They want a kind of cake that he doesn’t do.
He hasn’t denied them service.
He’s denied them the power to change his menu.
He must also re-educate his staff about Colorado’s Anti-Discrimination Act. Under that law, artists must endorse all views.
Really now? What's the CO Constitution got to say on this matter?
Art II, Section 4. Religious freedom.So, look here; three violations all at once:
The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination, shall forever hereafter be guaranteed; and no person shall be denied any civil or political right, privilege or capacity, on account of his opinions concerning religion; but the liberty of conscience hereby secured shall not be construed to dispense with oaths or affirmations, excuse acts of licentiousness or justify practices inconsistent with the good order, peace or safety of the state. No person shall be required to attend or support any ministry or place of worship, religious sect or denomination against his consent. Nor shall any preference be given by law to any religious denomination or mode of worship.
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