Posted on 07/29/2014 9:13:26 PM PDT by aardwolf46
This has been on various news sites today, but I don't see it on FR or Drudge. Any sort of a Google search on "MH17 bullet holes" will turn up multiple versions. German investigators are claiming that the forward part of MH17 is riddled with bullet holes, apparently 30mm, which is the main armament of the Ukrainian jets which were tailing the airliner. There is zero possibility of anybody shooting down an airliner with a 30mm gun from the ground.
As a pilot who has participated in numerous simulated dogfights I can tell you how impossible it is to line up perpendicular to the nose of a plane traveling over 500 mph.
The GSh-30-2 fires a 30x165mm round... which is also common to the following Russian ground vehicles:
BMP-2 mechanized infantry combat vehicle
BMP-3 mechanized infantry combat vehicle
BMD-2 airborne combat vehicle
BMD-3 airborne combat vehicle
BMD-4 airborne combat vehicle
BTR-80A armored personnel carrier
BTR-90 or GAZ-5923 armored personnel carrier
BTR-T heavy armored personnel carrier
BMPT ‘Tank Support Fighting Vehicle’
Among others. The 2A38 cannon in this same caliber is also fitted to the Tunguska self propelled anti-aircraft system, which is often deployed with Buk missile batteries.
Entirely possible for it to have been shot up on the ground by 30mm fire.
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One thing I’ve noticed over the years is how they will flood the air with alternate conspiracy theories to divert attention from the truth. People who take the bait are eventually made fools of; people who aren’t deeply engaged in the story see all the alternate stories and conclude that “the truth will never be known”.
Happened a lot during Clinton’s time, when he had a lot to hide. Happens during Obama’s time, as he has even more to hide.
Nice work Kidd
According to the Wikipedia, the SU-25 has a service ceiling of 7000m clean and 5000m loaded. It was designed to provide close air support to Soviet ground forces, not to shoot down airliners cruising at 10,000+m.
SA-11 is a blast frag warhead, around 140 lbs. off the top of my head. Those aren’t bullet holes and the only aircraft the Russians claim to have been in the area was a Frogfoot, which couldn’t catch a cruising airliner at that altitude. More smoke and mirrors to confuse the masses.
Really? Does the Kremlin know you don't think Eastern Ukraine is part of Russia? Unlike Crimea, Transnistria, Nagorno-Karrabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia...? Feel free to retract this post, when ITAR-TASS puts out a communiqué tomorrow ordering operatives to emphasize Russia's longstanding "ownership" of "Novorossiya"...
That the Ukrainians managed to fool the separatists into believing they shot down a civilian airliner by mistake, when, all the while, it was the Ukrainian government's well-timed air-to-air attack that did the deed? And now the separatists and their big brother to the north who supplies their toys are scrambling to escape the blame?
That's the sort of plan that only looks good in retrospect. Sane bad guys would never try it, because, a priori, the chances of something going wrong far exceed the chance you'll get away with it. Plus, I doubt the Ukrainians are actually that evil.
The warheads on those missiles are very much like a very large claymore mine. Over 100 lbs..
It’s a directional charge that launches several pounds of steel shrapnel (usually balls just like a claymore) over a wide area when it detonates approximately 100 feet or so from the aircraft. It pursues the aircraft nose on generally, after launch and in this instance it did exactly that, destroying the pilots cabin area and ripping holes in the fuel tanks which in turn allowed the air pressure to rip open the craft like a sardine can while it’s engines ignited the fuel..
From the picture I saw initially from the wreckage, there was no doubt that it was a medium SAM missile. And it did exactly what it was programmed to do.
Combined with the launch video from a satellite, the audio from the ground and the admissions from those who crewed it, to not claim this was a shoot down by a aircraft is totally insane.
1:20 AM here in SE Texas, fool, and a Russian would have to be kept indoors, it’s been around 100F for the past two or three weeks...
The thesis is that this story our govt. has been putting out and trying to implement sanctions on Russia over is totally FUBAR, and anybody who buys off on it is an idiot. Our entire foreign policy is a shambles, all over the world, and Ukraine is no exception.
Not at 6 miles.....
“The cockpit
of MH 017 was hit from TWO sides, as there are entry and exit holes on
the same side….’”
Because of Obama's weakness and refusal to deal with aggressors, not his Reagan like strength.
Absolutely true.
Once upon a time, we were Moscow's "Main Adversary". Now we are "New Africa" (those Rooskies are so racist!).
Thanks
~It’s a directional charge that launches several pounds of steel shrapnel (usually balls just like a claymore) ~
BUK missiles has a continuous rod warhead. No balls. It is not puncturing target but shreds and tears it. It is not if I’m supporting any theory here because a picture on one fragment is not enough to draw conclusion, just my few cents anyway.
Not saying it was. Saying that it is possible and plausible that the wreckage was shot up by a Russian ground vehicle carrying the same caliber weapon and firing identical ammunition with the objective of confusing things.
It’s also possible that with the heavy fighting in the area, said Russian ground vehicle might have shot up the wreckage not to hide anything but to shoot at people shooting at the vehicle who were hiding in the wreckage or on the other side of the wreckage, etc.,etc.
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