Posted on 08/05/2014 6:15:51 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
The empirical evidence of an airborne Ebola Strain is overwhelming
Hat Tip GWP - Patrick Sawyer was the American businessman, who contracted Ebola while working in Liberia, then collapsed after he got off a plane to Nigeria and died July 25. He was the first patient in Nigeria with the Ebola virus. The Nigerian authorities have refused to release the names of other passengers on the plane with Mr. Sawyer, or notify the media of their status.
(Excerpt) Read more at theconservativetreehouse.com ...
The Ebola in circulation in West Africa is nothing like this; although the viron apparently can survive in dried form for some hours or days, it may or may not be very infectious and certainly can't be disseminated easily in large quantities.
And now, we return to our regularly scheduled panic attack.
hey small
you didn’t even read my post.
I mentioned that the CDC staffers treating the good doctor Brantly were all using sealed respirators, biohazard suits and level 4 containment.
I asked the question: Why Oh Why are they suited up with respirators if there is no airborne hazard????
Inquiring minds want to know!
What is your answer oh genius one??
Back in my day when we received edited and screened news and opinion from three cloned networks, usually a week late, it was easier to say that we were in the dark, almost continuously. But not today.
What we have today are thousands of sources, most of them inaccurate or at best incomplete, and much of it supposition. So when a reader absorbs it, and then repeats the supposition as factual, the facts become distorted or are just nonsense.
The trick now is to weed through all that smoke and try to determine how much if any of it makes sense when applied to a base of solid known facts.
Unfortunately, some people are not very good at doing that is the social media environment, and that may not be a very good thing over time.
As I stated previously, deceit has nothing to do with my statement, and is a clear response to what you had posted. Take it however you please, I care not.
Anger has nothing to do with my post. Pity would more accurately describe my “feelings” towards your belief. Take it however you please, I care not.
Wallow in your feigned indignation to your hearts desire, I have nothing left to say to you on the subject unless you have something useful to post.
That is protocol for the type of ward he and the other patient will be treated in. One can assume based on the posts I have read on this and other forums, like Newsmax, that if they were not wearing the protective gear you would be hollering at the top of your lungs that the virus was going to get out of the hospital and all the nurses and doctors would be walking patient zero's.. LOL....
Then quote where you saw in any of my post to you, where I appeared on the brink of hysteria, was acting as an ignorant fool, who was cowering in dire fear for the rest of eternity as you clearly implied?
Lemme see it Mr. Pox. Post it.
Put up or shut up...
This should only take you 20 seconds pox..
When faced with such a deadly virus that has the potential to infect upon contact with fluids from an infected person, taking into account the %50-90 mortality rate of such an infection, biohazard suits and level 4 containment would be a prudent course of action, would it not? (DUH!).
Take into account how many people have been exposed to those who carry the virus and also where such people have traveled, and the “paltry” number that have been infected does not translate to an airborne virus that is being spread to each corner of the planet with impunity.
Just think about that versus the other side of the “coin”, which is a virus that is “easily” spread via an airborne vector and you can plainly see that the infection numbers do not support the hypothesis that this is truly an “airborne” virus.
If an infected patient was coughing up clouds of blood into groups of people, that would perhaps be a different story.
Consider what I'm trying to say, and enjoy your evening as I'm off to bed.
Then quote where you saw in any of my post to you, where I appeared on the brink of hysteria, was acting as an ignorant fool, who was cowering in dire fear for the rest of eternity as you clearly implied?
Lemme see it Mr. Pox. Post it.
Put up or shut up...
This should only take you 20 seconds pox..
for all you armchair quarterbacks -
YOU NEED TO READ THE FRIGGING BOOK
From the Hot Zone pages 17 -19
"He found Monet lying on the gurney. He has no idea what was wrong with the man, except that he was obviously having some kind of massive hemorrhage. There was no time to try to figure out what has caused it.
He was having difficulty breathing-and then his breathing stopped. He had inhaled blood and had a breathing arrest. Dr. Musoke felt for a pulse. It was weak and sluggish. A nurse ran and fetched a laryngoscope, a tube that can be used to open a person's airway. Dr. Musoke ripped open Monet's shirt so that he could observe any rise and fall of the chest, and he stood at the head of the gurney and bent over Monet's face until he was looking directly into his eyes, upside down.
Monet stared redly at Dr. Musoke, but there was no movement in the eyeballs, and the pupils were dilated. Brain damage: nobody home. His nose was bloody and his mouth was bloody. Dr. Musoke tilted the patient's head back to open the airway so that he could insert the laryngoscope. He was not wearing rubber gloves. He ran his finger around the patient's tongue to clear the mouth of debris, sweeping out mucus and blood. His hands became greasy with black curd. The patient smelled of vomit and blood, but this was nothing new to Dr. Musoke, and he concentrated on his work. He leaned down until his face was a few inches away from Monet's face, and he looked into Monet's mouth in order to judge the position of the scope. Then he slid the scope over Monet's tongue and pushed the tongue out of the way so that he could see down the airway past the epiglottis, a dark hole leading inward to the lungs. He pushed the scope into the hole, peering into the instrument. Monet suddenly jerked and thrashed.
Monet vomited.
The black vomit blew up around the scope and out of Monet's mouth.
Black-and-red fluid spewed into the air, showering down over Dr. Musoke.
It struck him in the eyes. It splattered over his white coat and down his chest, marking him with strings of red slime dappled with dark flecks. It landed in his mouth. He repositioned his patient's head and swept the blood out of the patient's mouth with his fingers. The blood had covered Dr. Musoke's hands, wrists and forearms. It had gone everywhere-all over the gurney, all over Dr. Musoke, all over the floor. The nurses in the intensive care unit couldn't believe their eyes, and they hovered in the background, not knowing quite what to do. Dr. Musoke peered down into the airway and pushed the scope deeper into the lungs. He saw that the airways were bloody.
Air rasped into the man's lungs. The patient had began to breathe again.
The patient was apparently in shock from loss of blood. He had lost so much blood that he was becoming dehydrated. The blood had come out of practically every opening in his body. There wasn't enough blood left to maintain circulation, so his heartbeat was very sluggish, and blood pressure was dropping toward zero. He needed a blood transfusion.
A nurse brought a bag of whole blood. Dr. Musoke hooked the bag on a stand an inserted the needled into the patient's arm. There was something wrong with the patient's veins; his blood poured out around the needle.
Dr. Musoke tried again, putting the needle into another place in the patient's arm and probing for the vein. Failure. More blood poured out. At every place in the patient's arm where he stuck the needle, the vein broke apart like cooked macaroni and spilled blood, and the blood ran from the punctures down the patient's arm and wouldn't coagulate. Dr. Musoke abandoned his efforts to give his patient a blood transfusion for fear that the patient would bleed to death out of the small hole in his arm."
Not REALLY. She was round it and those medical people who had contact with it and persons who may not have reached the spewing vomit and diahrea. If those pictures of the disinfecting process is true of how she did it then, DUUUUUH, without a full head to toe suit, of course she could have had very up close and personal contact with the virus. Hitting it with a spray is going to send some droplets of body fluid flying and landing on her and anything else within a few feet. Any movement of the person in the suit would also send germs/virus flying and dripping along where he walked. All those pics we've seen shows the disinfecting process outside so how the heck did the person get from inside to outside, huh? He didn't wiggle his Bewitched nose and pop from the clinic to the middle of the yard.
hey small
YOU NEED TO READ THE FRIGGING BOOK
AND THAT ESPECIALLY APPLIES TO ARROGANT ‘KNOW IT ALLS’ JUST LIKE YOU
BUT YOU WONT READ IT
YOU’LL JUST WANDER AROUND SMUG IN YOUR OWN IGNORANCE
BTW, lurk...
That hospital is one of only four, that has these facilities. They treat all the nasties...Hantavirus has been a big customer and I can imagine many others..
“Isolation Unit
Emory University Hospital has a special isolation unit that is physically separate from other patient areas. This unit is very special – it has unique equipment and infrastructure that provide an extraordinarily high level of isolation. In fact, it is one of only four of this type of facility in the country. We have treated other patients in this unit before that had highly communicable diseases.
Patient Care Team
The specialized team of doctors, nurses and staff that manage this isolation unit are incredibly competent. They receive regular training in specialized infection control protocols. They understand how the disease is transmitted and observe the same stringent contact procedures we observe in other special care areas of our hospital. As we know, with these important contact procedures, as the risk for exposure increases, our methods of protection also increase. The care team is uniquely equipped to handle these extreme precautions if they become necessary.”
This is one point I’m tying to make, but perhaps not getting across as I believe it is obvious. That is a shortcoming of mine, I tend to leave what I see as obvious behind.
I’m also not trying to play down the potential of this virus being airborne, particularly due to the fact of the effect it is having on those infected (as you stated previously, infecting the upper respiratory system).
I guess it would be more helpful to state that an infected individual has a very low chance of spreading the infection, AT THIS TIME from what is known, by way of our respiratory system. Most fluids are testing positive for the virus during the “showing stage” through the “recovered fully” stage in most who have been studied in previous outbreaks, but one thing that struck me in these previous studies was how viable was the virus in bodily fluids in the later stages or post infection of survivors, say 4-20 weeks and longer after testing positive for the virus. Needless to say, it would be difficult to gather such information due to the nature of the virus and its ultimate consequences.
I have read it...
I found it to be mostly accurate but interspersed into the story was a lot of hyperbolic assumptions, many of these “opinions’ I felt were highly exaggerated.
So I will not use it as source material in it’s totality.
But there were several interesting stories within it.
yeah they are aw good as anyone in the world but have still screwed up a couple of times (that were published).
my point to very small Pox is that they take those precautions because as I understand it all it takes is ONE Ebola viron to make it to your bloodstream and you’ve got it.
Thing is the CDC is currently warning airlines about using pressure washing and compressed air in cleaning the aircraft specifically it will make make the virus airborne.
Scariest book I ever read.
small
you know squat - they were calling it airborne in 2012
From Pigs to Monkeys, Ebola Goes Airborne
Nov 21, 2012 | Jane Huston | Research & Policy
by rubber bullets 2010, via flickr
When news broke that the Ebola virus had resurfaced in Uganda, investigators in Canada were making headlines of their own with research indicating the deadly virus may spread between species, through the air.
The team, comprised of researchers from the National Centre for Foreign Animal Disease, the University of Manitoba, and the Public Health Agency of Canada, observed transmission of Ebola from pigs to monkeys. They first inoculated a number of piglets with the Zaire strain of the Ebola virus. Ebola-Zaire is the deadliest strain, with mortality rates up to 90 percent. The piglets were then placed in a room with four cynomolgus macaques, a species of monkey commonly used in laboratories. The animals were separated by wire cages to prevent direct contact between the species.
Within a few days, the inoculated piglets showed clinical signs of infection indicative of Ebola infection. In pigs, Ebola generally causes respiratory illness and increased temperature. Nine days after infection, all piglets appeared to have recovered from the disease.
Within eight days of exposure, two of the four monkeys showed signs of Ebola infection. Four days later, the remaining two monkeys were sick too. It is possible that the first two monkeys infected the other two, but transmission between non-human primates has never before been observed in a lab setting.
While the study provided evidence that transmission of Ebola between species is possible, researchers still cannot say for certain how that transmission actually occurred. There are three likely candidates for the route of transmission: airborne, droplet, or fomites.
Airborne and droplet transmission both technically travel through the air to infect others; the difference lies in the size of the infective particles. Smaller droplets persist in the air longer and are able to travel farther- these droplets are truly “airborne.” Larger droplets can neither travel as far nor persist for very long. Fomites are inanimate objects that can transmit disease if they are contaminated with infectious agents. In this study, a monkey’s cage could have been contaminated when workers were cleaning a nearby pig cage. If the monkey touched the contaminated cage surface and then its mouth or eyes, it could have been infected.
Author Dr. Gary Kobinger suspects that the virus is transmitted through droplets, not fomites, because evidence of infection in the lungs of the monkeys indicated that the virus was inhaled.
What do these findings mean? First and foremost, Ebola is not suddenly an airborne disease. As expert commentators at ProMED stated, the experiments “demonstrate the susceptibility of pigs to Zaire Ebolavirus and that the virus from infected pigs can be transmitted to macaques under experimental conditions… they fall short of establishing that this is a normal route of transmission in the natural environment.” Furthermore, because human Ebola outbreaks have historically been locally contained, it is unlikely that Ebola can spread between humans via airborne transmission.
However, the study does raise the possibility that pigs are a host for Ebola. If this proves to be true in the wild, there are direct ramifications for prevention and control measures. It is still unclear what role pigs play in the chain of transmission. To continue work on answering this question, the team plans to take samples from pigs in areas known to have recently experienced Ebola outbreaks.
The Disease Daily has previously reported on Dr. Kobinger’s work on the Ebola vaccine.
- See more at: http://www.healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/pigs-monkeys-ebola-goes-airborne-112112#sthash.kwJrr1U7.dpuf
I can see the reason you would feel that way, but if you think about it, it really is a book of faith, hope and love. It tells a tale werein God takes care of the faithful.
Yeah, I understood what you were saying.
I think the problems you are having with some here is that they can’t be consoled.
What drew me to post on the thread is the same reason I have posted on other threads, and that is the intentional or perhaps unintentional mixing of the characteristics recorded for the Reston Strain, a essentially one time event when they scooped up a monkey (patient zero) who had contracted Ebola Zaire apparently in a cave or breeding area for fruit bats which carry the disease.
The Ebola Zaire was passed from this monkey in a mutated form to other monkeys in a group while being transported.
This new strain, after autopsy’s were performed was found to have affected the monkeys lungs. Anecdotal information from interviews seemed to indicate that the virus was airborne only to the extent that the upper respiratory infection was causing sneezing, coughing and that combined with a broken AC system and the use of potable fans, apparently spread the stuff all over the facility. (based on what I could gather together from numerous different takes on what happened.)BTW, the place was a hell hole for animals. I saw the pictures.
All that said, that strain does not affect humans and has not been seen naturally since.
As for the strain causing these infections in Africa now. all the data, and all the past studies on the spreading mechanisms, can be summarized in a couple sentences as Emory did here.
“How is it spread?
Ebola is spread similarly to HIV or Hepatitis B or C. It is spread through two ways:
1.Direct contact with bodily fluids (e.g., blood) of the infected patients
2.Needle stick injuries from sharps that have been in direct contact with the infected patients’ bodily fluids
(Influenza (“the flu”) is much more contagious than Ebola.)
And as far as I am concerned, That is That.....
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