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1 posted on 02/05/2015 8:26:56 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

(Just posted this on Facebook to a suitable argument)

The issue is that those choosing to not vaccinate are relying on the vaccinated around them to prevent exposure to the disease, thus enjoying the benefits of mass inoculation and avoiding individual risk from vaccination ... but that ideal condition collapses, lethally, when too many people choose it.

Let’s talk measles. I’ll talk fatalities to keep the numbers simple, but other casualties are proportional.

With no mass vaccination, measles has repeatedly killed (!) around 30% of identifiable populations throughout history. MILLIONS DIED.

With mass vaccination, measles has been reduced to a 0.3% fatality rate.

Yes, the vaccine is not completely harmless. <0.0001% of measles vaccinations prove fatal. Horrible when it does happen, yes.

Those choosing to not vaccinate because of the risks of vaccination are seeking to enjoy the benefit of the vaccinated population at large reducing measles fatalities to 0.3% _AND_ avoid being one of those <0.0001% of fatalities caused by vaccination. Best of both worlds ... IF they’re essentially the only ones unvaccinated amid the vaccinated. It’s a VERY attractive position to take.

UNFORTUNATELY ... If the number of those unvaccinated rises to a critical mass - a surprisingly small percentage of the population dissenting plus those immunocompromised by other diseases - the disease can find a vector thru the population and FATALITY RATES EXPLODE BECAUSE PEOPLE CHOSE NOT TO VACCINATE. If you start hanging around like-minded anti-vaccination folks, you are CREATING THE LETHAL DISEASE VECTOR: one kid gets sick, they all get sick (measles is very contagious), many get very sick, and odds are distressingly high that at least one of them will DIE.


2 posted on 02/05/2015 8:39:20 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Kaslin

I did a quick check of my pocket constitution and could not find the word “vaccination”.


6 posted on 02/05/2015 9:01:02 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy, and he is us.)
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To: Kaslin

Who is the moderator? And why is he/she deleting any and all reasonable responses to this article????


14 posted on 02/05/2015 9:20:01 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t worry! MEASLES won’t kill you! Here is proof!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19633516

“The imported epidemics of infections including measles diminished Hawaii’s population from approximately 300,000 at Captain Cook’s arrival in 1778 to 135,000 in 1820 and 53,900 in 1876.

The measles deaths of the king and queen in London in 1824, likely acquired visiting a large children’s home, was a harbinger of the devastating impact of measles upon Hawaiians 24 years later with its first arrival to the Sandwich (Hawaiian) Islands.”

WOOPS! I WAS WRONG! Get vaccinated DUM BASSES!


17 posted on 02/05/2015 9:32:03 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Kaslin; All

Is age the issue?

it seems the dispute is raised over the 12 month age of the infant. Why not just wait to two or three or even four years old? Does that matter?


18 posted on 02/05/2015 9:34:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kaslin

Something like 700 people among 300+ million, were reported to have measles as the govt said Measles is eradicated. Now we have 100 more added, it is a problem?

Maybe we should quarantine visitors for the length needed to ascertain they are disease free, and make them take their vaccines before allowing them in? Instead, this same government that floods the country with “immigrants” lights the fuse to inspire fear and “herd mentality” to turn us against our fellow Americans.

It is not that we have too much freedom. The problem is we have a Federal Government that sets policy in such a way as to CAUSE the problem it then produces a solution to.....Forced Vaccinations for all.....

Sorry, but using the force of government to require medical procedures is totally Anti-Freedom.

Schools and daycares can disallow attendance without vaccines, but the Federal government has no legal dog in this fight. With that said, they are CHARGED with enforcing immigration policy, and purposely refrain from their job. THEY are criminally negligent in their duties, and blame it on too much Liberty for their “herd”.


20 posted on 02/05/2015 9:39:48 AM PST by Glad2bnuts
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To: Kaslin
Paul, who is a physician, said, however, he knew of instances in which poorly timed vaccinations had led to mental disorders.

Rand Paul may be a physician, but clearly, he is not well-read on the medical literature regarding vaccine safety.

There is, in fact, NO instance in which "poorly-timed" vaccinations led to mental disorders. There are, however, plenty of instances in which a vaccine-preventable disease caused brain damage.

When we talk about vaccination, we're not talking about an individual's right to expose his or her children to potentially deadly diseases. We're talking about that individual's "right" to expose other people's children to those diseases. I don't care how they feel about their own children, but when they want to endanger MY children and grandchildren with their choices, they're crossing a line.

37 posted on 02/06/2015 4:01:57 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t think that there is a rational option to vaccinations. The only sensible thing is to get them as recommended, however I do think that the combination shots like MMR should be looked into carefully for potential immune system cascade failures that might result in it attacking the person.

Yes, it’s not in the constitution, but that argument will not hold water with the state or local government. They can and will enforce the giving and receiving of vaccinations.


52 posted on 02/08/2015 8:56:18 PM PST by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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