SAE Cook Loses Job After Racist Video Leads to Fraternity Closure

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[HotHunt]

I will say right up front that I do not approve of the injudicious chant by members of SAE as reported in the press. But like it or not, approve of the chant or not, what happen to the Bill of Rights where we have the right to free speech in this country? They weren't yelling "fire" in a crowded theater so it shouldn't be prohibited speech. They were kicked off campus because one group didn't like what the other group was chanting. Well, boo hoo. That's not how free speech works. Free speech is not speech that everyone necessarily agrees with. But it is protected speech.

SAE fraternity should considering suing the university and it's president, for violation of their civil rights under the US Constitution. Someone needs to start standing up to and defending our rights in this country. This is as good a time and place to start as any.

[Jim from C-Town]

Some of the members have been expelled. I am not sure how you can expel someone simply for vulgar or racist speech,particularly from a public institution. Racism and racist speech are not illegal. They may be stupid, but voting Democrat is stupid and it is also legal, even for the dead.

After all several people who are felons are allowed to remain in school while being tried or even allowed to return to school while they are on parole. Parole is punishment other than prison.

It seems to me a case can be made that the University is infringing on the students first amendment rights. No different than if they held a vigil against the Afghan War.

[GIdget2004]

“Who owns the house? If it is property of the University, then they have the right to shutter the building. However, if it is NOT university property...”

SAE probably owns the house. That’s not always the case, but it tends to be the case at big universities. Regardless, SAE announced that they were shutting down the OU chapter before the University announced that they were severing ties with the fraternity.

[Sherman Logan]

Somehow it has become universally accepted that racist thoughts or words, even if they bring no demonstrable harm to an actual person, are the worst crime in the world.

I disapprove of their idiocy, but would deal with it by telling them their being idiots.

[NativeSon]

Utter nonsense - who cares?, really?, worry about real problems not a bunch of frat boy knuckleheads. Society once had a way of dealing with j*rks, a few nice lumps around the head and suddenly, they see the light.

and the P.O.S, potUS, you are nothing but an oxygen thief, go back to tweeting & posting pics of your lunch on instagram

[nickcarraway]

What does this have to do with the First Amendment? The government hasn't said it's illegal to say what they did?

If teachers at Oklahoma University were teaching that Christianity and Judaism were inferior religion and the U.S. should be under sharia law, would you think that they should be allowed to because of the First Amendment?

The government doesn't say they can't say those things, but it doesn't mean they can say it in class. It doesn't mean they will not have nongovernmental repercussions.

[tanknetter]

OU is a public school, and sanctions applied by it are considered to be governmental in nature and therefore fall under the auspices of the First Amendment.

And there are a good number of SCOTUS judgements that set precedent for this.

[nickcarraway]

So you are admitting that public schools can teach jihad, sharia, and that Judaism and Christianity are evil.

[nickcarraway]

And there are a good number of SCOTUS judgements that set precedent for this.

A lot of those precedence are just plain wrong.

[tanknetter]

Thats a different subject.

What state schools can’t do is abridge the freedom of students who do say those things. Particularly outside of class, (and within some limitations, so long as they don’t constitute a direct threat for instance).

For example, a kid can stand up outside the student union and sing ISIS’s praises. He can deny the holocaust, demand the destruction of Israel and any number of other repugnant things.

That student can’t, however, point to another student and say “and you’re next”. Thats a direct threat, not protected.

[HotHunt]

Of course, college professors can teach pretty much what they want in class. They do it already all over the country. Our universities are stables for indoctrinating kids leftist ideology now. But like I said, just because you or I or others don't agree with their speech, they still have that freedom under the constitution just like we all do.

But this fraternity is not a professor or employed by the university. Big difference I would think.

[BatGuano]

Freedom of speech evidently doesn’t apply to racial matters.
I honestly did not know that!

The trash talk in most Rap “music” is allowed, and it is far worse than SAE chants, because the speakers are black...!
So what I really did not know is that there is a “white First Amendment” and also a “black First Amendment.”

The First Amendment is not a “bitch”, it is irrelevant.

[DoodleDawg]

But like it or not, approve of the chant or not, what happen to the Bill of Rights where we have the right to free speech in this country?

They, as private individuals, were free to chant what they want. Sigma Alpha Epsilon, and a private organization, were free to kick them out for it. The University of Oklahoma, as owners of a frat house that was no longer associated with the school, was free to expel them. It's a very free society.

[PLMerite]

Oklahoma.

Ask Sgt. Foley what he thinks of Oklahoma.

[HotHunt]

Apparently it's freer for rap artists to screech the same ni**er word while being rewarded with millions in record sales. Instead of free, the society seems to be duplicitous.

Those SAE guys were definitely not the sharpest tools in the shed. I was in a fraternity my last year in college in the 60's and we had a couple of off-color beer drinking songs but nothing close to the rant they chanted on the bus. But young college guys are known for exhibiting stupid behavior and this is another prime example. Immature guys with some beer in them are likely to step on their di*ks more than once before they grow up. Not right and don't approve, but it is the way it is.

[Hot Tabasco]

Freedom of Speech—It’s a bitch.

Since no one was arrested, I don't see any problem here..........

OK, hold on a second, let me look at my pocket constitution regarding the First Amendment.........Hmmmm, looking......

OK, here it is:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peacefully to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I might be wrong but that Freedom of Speech thing seems to protect the individual from the government.

I don't read anything in there that protects a bunch of racist frat boys from being punished for their publicized video of a racist chant......

Here, let's review their chant........

Song to the tune of : “If You Are Happy and You Know It”

There will never be a nigger in SAE

There will never be a nigger in SAE

You can hang them from a tree but he can never sign with me

There will never be a nigger in SAE………

And that's acceptable to you?

[DoodleDawg]

I was in a fraternity my last year in college in the 60's and we had a couple of off-color beer drinking songs but nothing close to the rant they chanted on the bus. But young college guys are known for exhibiting stupid behavior and this is another prime example. Immature guys with some beer in them are likely to step on their di*ks more than once before they grow up. Not right and don't approve, but it is the way it is.

Actions have consequences. As they found out.

[sagar]

Uncle Tom?