Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: GILTN1stborn

There two seeming facts on which I linger. 1) An Article V convention has never been held, and thus explanations of how things would go in such cannot possibly be put down to “don’t worry about it, and 2) given the state of the evil and deviousness of the opposition and their insane ability to throw vast sums of money at any obstacle they encounter, doesn’t not give me the warm fuzzies with regard to such a convention’s outcome.

Were there only two choices between one of these and complete revolution, I’d choose the latter. IOW, I don’t trust any organized group any more.


5 posted on 03/20/2015 7:38:04 AM PDT by Gaffer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: Gaffer

So, instead of following the constitution, we need to rewrite it. And you trust our current batch of commies and robber barons to rewrite it.


6 posted on 03/20/2015 7:42:05 AM PDT by thorvaldr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: Gaffer
Many of my FRiends have put things into words so well. Here is one excellent example for you. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3267858/posts?page=59

Mark Levin's book “The Liberty Amendments” is awesome and I have provided copies to many. Please consider reading that as well.

8 posted on 03/20/2015 7:52:19 AM PDT by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: Gaffer
Here is some help for those who don't understand the complete Article V process. It's the usual pedantic boilerplate I post to these threads, but it lays the process out.

***

The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicitly forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

24 posted on 03/20/2015 10:41:41 AM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: Gaffer
An Article V convention cannot amend the constitution.

Scotus has been busy amending it since the mid-1930s. Obama has been just as busy, and has assumed tyrannical powers. He has demonstrated that he is ready to deal with rebellion.

Your position denies we, the sovereign people the power to peacefully reframe a government..

27 posted on 03/20/2015 12:45:52 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson