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Debtors prisons are an essential tool of our new public policy.
Dalrock ^ | April 26 2015 | Dalrock

Posted on 04/27/2015 8:32:38 AM PDT by DarkSavant

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1 posted on 04/27/2015 8:32:38 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: DarkSavant

This is why many men are foregoing marriage.


2 posted on 04/27/2015 8:38:16 AM PDT by piytar (If you don't know what the doctrines of taqiyya and abrogation are, you are a fool!)
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To: DarkSavant

While I agree that the current system of child support is in many cases unfair to the men there’s a simple way to re-solve this. Don’t be sticking you long john into every hole in sight.....I’ll bet most everyone on this website knows of someone (either directly or through someone else) who has kids to multiple women of which they are not married. You need a license to drive a car, but no license to make a baby. There’s a lot of irresponsibility out there by men and women.


3 posted on 04/27/2015 8:41:38 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: DarkSavant

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4 posted on 04/27/2015 8:44:19 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Due to the high price of ammo, no warning shot will be fired.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
How about "No Marriage, No commitment to pay child support".

Then add "If you can not show your spouse at fault in divorce proceedings, no child support."

Then see the result of out-of-wedlock births and divorce rates plummeting.
5 posted on 04/27/2015 8:47:28 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: piytar

It is also why inner cities are overrun with feral serial impregnanters. Sex without responsibility is another invented right of the left.


6 posted on 04/27/2015 8:49:27 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
There are two guys that work for me that are paying HEAVY child support for kids that are proven with DNA not to be theirs. Judge(s) didn't care and one took it to the appellate court and they agreed with the lower court. I do agree with you statement in general but the system is clearly broken - like most other government systems.
7 posted on 04/27/2015 8:50:51 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

I agree with you. It’s broken and the ones with the penuses are usually f##$@cked.


8 posted on 04/27/2015 9:10:36 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: DarkSavant

What you propose is so drastic that it would never pass muster in today’s society. For one thing, both men and women are irresponsible so many women would just abandon the child or get abortions. The abondened child would be thrust upon her parents (which happens in large part today) or put in the government system of foster children/etc...

Basically that option is not that good either. It’s a bad siuation all around. I would propose that men get more rights in regards to being the primary parent. Why is it assumed that the mother will be the best parent by the courts?


9 posted on 04/27/2015 9:14:25 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: piytar
This is why many men are foregoing marriage.

Or even cohabitation. My friend was telling me that the county he lives in has a federal grant to combat "domestic violence". As a result, if you get arrested for "domestic violence" in that county, you can spend six months in jail, whereas in the next county over (which doesn't have the federal funding) it's 30 days.

He overheard a woman there tell your boyfriend "I can put you in jail" with glee in her voice. It's a weapon women can use against men who piss them off.

He's not having anything to do with women residing in that county.

It's getting to the point where it's to a man's advantage to maintain an apartment where no woman is allowed to enter, or even know the address of, and only visit her in a motel.

10 posted on 04/27/2015 9:18:15 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Basically that option is not that good either. It’s a bad siuation all around. I would propose that men get more rights in regards to being the primary parent. Why is it assumed that the mother will be the best parent by the courts?

I would go for this. Give men the choice of accepting custody or paying child support.

11 posted on 04/27/2015 9:21:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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Most women will fight like hell for custody. Not necessarily because they care about the kids so much, but for the checks and the additional leverage over their ex.


12 posted on 04/27/2015 9:32:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: DarkSavant
This is really hard for me to read, because I was a kid under the advent of this system. My mom discovered Kinsey in 1956. By 1960 my parents divorced over infidelity. The child custody battle lasted nine years and consumed two California houses worth of capital. The State broke up my brother and me, dividing us between the two parents. By the time I was 16, we had moved 11 times. In the end, my dad, a municipal bond financing consultant of some import, was a broken human being, divorced three times. Mom made out like a champ, especially after her second divorce, owning her own home and traveling the world on a teacher's pension until she died a few years later. The rest of the family is still a wreck, now 55 years and running.

I left dad's home at 17, penniless and on the streets of Oakland, CA. I count myself lucky, as could easily have wound up dead. I swore then that this would never happen to me. I spent the first ten years of my adulthood grappling with it all. When I finally married at the age of 35, I was extremely careful. Our two kids grew up in the same house they can call "home." The one governing principle of their rearing was 'whatever the leftists think is right, revert to the opposite.' Both girls are now in graduate school. Yet it still isn't over.

There is a reason the Torah specified death for adultery: The effects go on for generations. I am convinced that raising a child in an environment of sexual depravity produces heritable epigenetic traits, effectively they are irreversible without an immense act of will. The consequences all around us, and they will be very difficult if not impossible to reverse.

Having been born into the idyllic California of the 1950s, we never knew the blessings that lifestyle had offered, much less understood the consequences of blowing them off. Conservatives never fully comprehended the stakes in the Culture War; else they would have fought like their lives depended upon victory and nothing less, because they do. The left wants us dead, because we are all that stands between them and total power to please themselves to no end, and to hell with any and every body else. That's what it will be all right.

13 posted on 04/27/2015 9:34:12 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by government regulation.)
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So true. this resonates for me


14 posted on 04/27/2015 9:36:47 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Men have penises and penises cause men to abuse children—just like guns cause people to commit murder. Social Work 101, duh!

The entire system is set up as a matriarchy—literally. Not only do men not have civil rights, they often are denied status automatically—making them,in effect, non-persons. The civil “justice” system is neither. It is liberalism writ large.


15 posted on 04/27/2015 9:38:39 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (GOP delenda est!)
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To: piytar
This is why many men are foregoing marriage.

Bingo. I was thinking the same thing.

16 posted on 04/27/2015 9:40:44 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Most women will fight like hell for custody. Not necessarily because they care about the kids so much, but for the checks and the additional leverage over their ex.

That's my point. Wives file for divorce in two thirds of cases, often because it is advantageous to do so. They get the income and assets of the husband without having to actually live with him.

Take that away, have divorce mean that they walk away with their personal belongings and that's it, and the divorce rate would drop sharply.

17 posted on 04/27/2015 10:06:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
There are two guys that work for me that are paying HEAVY child support for kids that are proven with DNA not to be theirs. Judge(s) didn't care and one took it to the appellate court and they agreed with the lower court. I do agree with you statement in general but the system is clearly broken - like most other government systems.

Were they married to the women? It is my understanding that American Law going all the way back to old English Common law recognizes the Children of Marriage to be the Husband's Children, even if they are not.

In the Time of Old English law, there was no way to tell, but now their is. This is an aspect of law that needs to be seriously revisited in light of advancements in fields other than law. (Where there is never any "advancement.")

18 posted on 04/27/2015 10:11:28 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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That’s a sad story. I’m glad that you have survived and overcome that. You never mentioned if your father is still alive or not. If he is, I hope he has come to some sort of a resolution in himself that he can live with. Perhaps you and your sibling can help him out with that. Are you and your brother still friends and/or on speaking terms?


19 posted on 04/27/2015 10:19:40 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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It's also why, I would think, some men then kill their wives and children and then take their own lives.

Rather than accept being crushed, they just decide to take everyone with them.

20 posted on 04/27/2015 10:23:09 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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