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Bernie Sanders isn’t Barack Obama, and 2016 isn’t 2008
Washington Post ^ | July 17 | Dan Pfeiffer

Posted on 07/19/2015 12:56:07 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Hilllary Clinton is once again campaigning for president as the prohibitive front-runner, and once again, she faces a challenge from an insurgent progressive outsider with grass-roots support. Once again, while Clinton (re)introduces herself to voters in a low-key listening tour of sorts, her challenger is drawing huge audiences — 10,000 in Madison, Wis., 8,000 in Portland, Maine, 5,000 in Denver and overflow crowds in Iowa’s small towns and elsewhere.

Eight years ago, Clinton led in the polls for most of 2007, only to lose the Iowa caucuses — and, eventually, the Democratic nomination — to a favorite of the party’s progressive base. It’s feeling a bit like deja vu. “If she doesn’t change the terms of the race, she’s going to lose. Again,” former Mitt Romney strategist Stuart Stevens warned in the Daily Beast this month.

It may be tempting to compare the race between Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to the epic race between Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama: Sanders, like Obama, has consolidated a good portion of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. Sanders, like Obama, is raising millions from small-dollar donors on the Internet. Sanders, like Obama, is channeling the anger and frustration of some in the party. Then, it was about the Iraq war; now, it’s about Wall Street.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: 2016election; clinton; hillaryclinton; sanders
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1 posted on 07/19/2015 12:56:07 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Hillary Clinton has girl parts (shudder)

Bernie is a white guy.

Democrats only care about optics and “firsts.” Hillary wins.


2 posted on 07/19/2015 12:58:10 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: nickcarraway

If I were a Romney strategist, I’d keep my opinions on politics to myself and find a job cleaning truck stop bathrooms or loading manure onto trailers.


3 posted on 07/19/2015 12:59:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: nickcarraway

This is the Washington Post who is saying this. Hmmm....what do we remember in the six months leading up to the Iowa primary that the Post talked about? Hillary was charming the public....Hillary was hitting on the right topics....Hillary doing great. The post got it wrong in 2008, and I’d suspect they are getting it wrong now.

It is 2008 all over again, with Hillary spending a ton of money on strategists who don’t know how to win Iowa. It is that simple.

Bookmark this, and wait until early December, when the Post says they are slightly amazed that the numbers aren’t helping Hillary’s position and she might not win Iowa.


4 posted on 07/19/2015 1:07:25 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

Hillary killed Obama in the primary elections. She only had problems in the caucuses. I doubt they’ll make that mistake again.


5 posted on 07/19/2015 1:11:20 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I was looking over the primaries of 2008. At the end....the two were fairly close (2-percent difference). Obama carried most of the southern states, and the vast majority of northwestern states.

The Hillary problem came up in the super-delegates count (where the VIPs of the party each have a vote). Of the seven-hundred-thirty-odd super votes....Hillary only carried 34-percent of the super-delegates. If she’d carried carried 80-percent of the super-delegates....she would have won.

If you ask me....the super-delegates in 2016....could end up flipping this against her again. She needs to win big in the primary period, in order to avoid any power bickering by the super-delegates. If O’Malley and Bernie win fifty-percent of the primary votes and she walks into the convention with just fifty-percent of the primary vote, I could see her losing again.


6 posted on 07/19/2015 2:01:44 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: nickcarraway

GopE prefer Clinton than Sanders. Clinton is part of the corrupt Wall Street crowd


7 posted on 07/19/2015 2:24:35 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: nickcarraway

“the prohibitive front-runner”

The Post apparently can’t afford editors anymore.


8 posted on 07/19/2015 2:28:55 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: nickcarraway; Impy; Clintonfatigued; sickoflibs; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; Clemenza; ...

The Democrat base has made it plain: They want raw, undistilled Communism-fascism. Totalitarianism, if you please, stamp out the free market, Christian agenda to the last. Bernie is closer to that angry ultraradical activist agenda of the base (except for the part about guns, which he had to bow down to in order to get elected in Vermont, a Communist, but pro-gun state). Hillary is just old news. If she could be downed in 2008 despite her being “inevitable”, she can certainly be downed again now that she looks older than her years (mid 70s, at least).


9 posted on 07/19/2015 2:35:58 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Organic Panic

It is time for a women president will be thier battle cry, much like it is time for a black president. what you are not who you are


10 posted on 07/19/2015 3:41:27 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clintonfatigued; sickoflibs; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; BillyBoy; ...

The Kennedys are the root cause for most of the problems in this country today. I’ve been saying this for decades and others are finally catching on.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/howie_carr/2015/07/howie_carr_trace_terrorists_to_ted_kennedy

They are, at a minimum, criminals. They are traitors, who “Solution E” should be demonstrated on.


11 posted on 07/19/2015 5:54:07 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; Impy; campaignPete R-CT; sickoflibs; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; Clintonfatigued; ...

Carr’s column is devastatingly accurate. Everything they claimed wouldn’t happen in that 1965 bill happened and continues to happen en masse, millions flooding our borders without interruption. What kind of a moron at the time would’ve bought the claim that just a modest number would come in and then no more ? Once the chain starts going, it never stops. It is not the United States’ responsibility to take it tens (if not dozens) of millions of people (many of which have no intention of assimilating !) to the point that we cease to be a first world country.


12 posted on 07/19/2015 6:03:44 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; All

“Carr’s column is devastatingly accurate.”

GD right it is.

Happy Mary Jo Kopechne Day!


13 posted on 07/19/2015 6:13:40 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; All

“Uncle Teddy” has the only confirmed kill in the war on women.


14 posted on 07/19/2015 6:42:58 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Michael Skakel has one. JFK, Jr. has two.


15 posted on 07/19/2015 6:44:43 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj

LMAO!!


16 posted on 07/19/2015 6:49:52 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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Yeah, but neither was a (re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-)re-elected, sitting U.S. Senator.

I called my uncle and told him to go to “visit” my father (extreme, rabid Kennedy worshiper) at the cemetery today when he needs to go #2. I couldn’t hold it for that long (~an hour to get there).


17 posted on 07/19/2015 6:51:03 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; nickcarraway; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued; ...

Hillary could certainly be beaten by an Obama-like candidate, say a Hispanic “Brown Obama” as I’ve posited so many times that you’re probably sick of it.

She could be beaten by Al Gore, theoretically, if he pulls himself out of mothballs, which I doubt he will.

By Biden, theoretically, if there’s a full moon on Super Tuesday and the temperature in hell gets down to about 45-50 degrees.

But not by Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is unelectable in a general election (yes, I say he is). The democrat power brokers and billionaire money bags know this, so in the event he turns out to be a real threat to her (which I doubt) they won’t let him win, period.

O’Malley is a joke so I no longer think he can beat her.

Jefferson Davis Chafee certainly can’t beat her.

Jim Webb is a piece of garbage a-hole but I think he qualitys as “to her right” so LOL no.

Bottom line, unless we’re surprised by a new late entry, or Justice A. Kennedy decides the 22nd amendment is superceeded by something he pulls out of his *ss, there’a a close to a 100% chance she’s the nominee, IMO.


18 posted on 07/19/2015 6:53:52 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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Hillary Clinton = Marcia Coakley.
“The rightful heir” that can’t win the big one.


19 posted on 07/19/2015 6:57:27 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Impy

There are a LOT true believers in Sanders who think Shillary is a sell out. Sanders is drawing the crowds, Hillary can’t fill a phone booth. That in itself doesn’t translate into votes.

Shillary’s team will not hesitate to crucify Sanders, then spit on his corpse, if that’s what it takes. But if it comes to that, those true believers which comprise the far left base who worked their tails off for Zero will be even more disillusioned with Shrill.

I’m not so sure that Biden couldn’t beat her. It would be interesting to watch. Biden is a buffoon, but he’s likable and would have more appeal to Indies, I think. He certainly wouldn’t lack for financial backing.


20 posted on 07/19/2015 7:22:43 AM PDT by randita (...Our First Lady is a congenital liar - William Safire, 1996)
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