It was probably a good rant.
Posted on 09/28/2015 1:23:20 AM PDT by Okimi2200
The Pro Rights Guide to the Gun Control Terminology Part 1 Firearms definitions A much wiser man than me said if you can get them to ask the wrong question then you don’t need to worry about the answers. The pro rights movement has been making great strides toward freedom in recent years but the antis are still controlling the dialog. As long as they are allowed to dictate the terminology they can phrase and frame the debate to their advantage. If we truly wish to win this fight we have to stop letting the liberal media provide the definitions of the key words and phrases. When someone publicly uses the hot button sound bites to shape the debate we need to have a plan for publicly shutting them down. This is my take on some of the key phrases that we hear after every shooting and how to shove them right back at the anti-civil rights establishment. Assault weapon/rifle: IT DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!!!!! THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!!!!!!!! Any time you encounter someone talking about an assault something throw it back at them by asking for them to define what it is. There is no real definition of an assault weapon and that is what makes the term so powerful. Because there is no definition politicians can define it to mean anything they want. Once they pass a law that says assault weapon then they can change the definition to add any firearm to the list at will. The following are real definitions of firearms that can be used to counter the phase ‘assault weapon’; yes I know that most everyone that will take the time to read my little rant knows this but in the off chance that a novice stumbles on to my essay I’m covering the whole range. Firearms have generally been defined by a combination of the action, the ammo, and or one or two hand operation. Pistols, hand guns, and side arms by definition are firearms that are designed for one handed operation while rifles, shot guns and/or long guns are designed for two handed operation. Revolvers are firearms, mostly hand guns, that have a cylinder magazine that rotates as the trigger or hammer is pulled back lining up the round with the firing pin and the barrel. The cylinder acts as the firearms chamber. Single shot fire arms have no magazine and must have each round manually loaded after each shot. Bolt, lever and pump action firearms have a magazine that use a manually operated lever or slide to extract the spent casing and load the next round into the firing chamber. Last but not least we have shotguns which are firearms that are designed to fire shells that launch multiple projectiles in a pattern. That concludes the noncontroversial firearm definitions. The types that have all the political issues are the auto loading and automatic firearms. Only auto loading firearms are legal for civilians without a class III federal firearms license. An auto loading firearm taps some of the energy when fired to work the action to automatically eject the spent case and camber the next round. To fire the next round the trigger must be released and pulled again. This action is commonly used for side arms, rifles and, shot guns. That brings us to the automatic firearms. Automatic firearms for the most part are auto loading firearms that have one operational difference, as soon as the next round is cambered and the breech has locked it fires and the cycle starts all over. The cycle then continues until the trigger is released or the ammo is exhausted. There are exactly three types of automatic firearms, Gatling guns, machine guns and automatic rifles. Gatling guns use multiple barrels or chambers that are mechanically rotated. As they are rotated the breach is opened the case removed and the next round chambers and ready to fire as soon as the loaded chamber reaches the firing position. These systems are heavy, use massive amounts of ammo, and compared to conventional firearms have a lot of maintenance issues. Common for military operations for use against structures and vehicles they are mostly chambers for light cannon rounds. They primarily used to put massive ordinance on a point target to quickly destroy it. The incredible rate of fire would make them a blast to shoot but not very many people could afford the ammo. Even if they were legal to buy at the corner store not many would want them because of the cost of operating them. While all three types of automatic firearms are covered by the political definition of machine gun, the real definition of a machinegun is an auto loading fire arm that shoots from the open bolt position. Open bolt means that the bolt and carrier is locked to the rear and the ready round is positioned between the bolt and the breach. When the trigger is pulled the carrier is driven forward slamming the round into the camber and firing it. The carrier is then pushed back by the energy of the shot extracting the spend case and positioning the next round for the cycle to continue. When the trigger is released the carrier is then caught at the rear position leaving the barrel open at the muzzle and breech. Because the barrel is open at both ends it allows airflow that cools the barrel down as fast as possible. The primary purpose of a machine gun is sustained fire. To tolerate more heat the machine gun barrel is normally heavier than a rifle barrel cambered for the same ammo and the open bolt allows airflow to help dissipate heat allowing a machine gun to sustain continuous fire without overheating. The tradeoff of the machine guns heavy duty construction needed to withstand the heat of continuous fire is a reduced cyclic rate of fire. Automatic rifles operate from the closed bolt position, which means that when the rifle is loaded and the trigger is pulled the round is inside the chamber and the bolt is closed. This is exactly the same way the auto loading rifles described earlier operate but they continue to fire until the trigger is released or the ammo is depleted. Because closed bolt operation uses a lighter bolt that normally has a shorter travel, automatic rifles have a faster cyclic rate than a machine gun chambered for the same ammunition. Machine guns and Gatling guns are normally operated by a crew making weight a secondary issue; automatic rifles normally have a single operator making weight a primary issue. Closed bolts don’t need the masse that open bolt operation requires and the barrels are made as light as possible to reduce weight so the rifle and ammo can be easily carried. The tradeoffs with a closed bolt is you get a lighter more maneuverable firearm with a high cyclic rate but because the thinner barrel cannot withstand as much heat and the closed bolt restricts airflow cooling sustained rate of fire is very low. Now for those that are looking at this asking “what about the sub-machine gun?”, well the term sub-machine gun was a marketing term used to sell the Thomson automatics. Operationally there is no difference between an automatic rifle and a sub-machine gun, the sub-machine gun is just an automatic rifle chambered to fire a pistol caliber round. The military grade M-16, AK-47, mac-10, and UZI’s and similar weapons are all automatic rifles. The civilian versions of these firearms are auto-loading firearms. Automatic and auto-loading firearms have characteristics that are defined. You cannot change or reclassify an automatic or auto-loading firearm from one category to another without physically altering the gun its self. There is however no set of qualities or defining features that make a firearm an assault weapon, the only way a firearm becomes an assault weapon is if someone picks it up and deliberately uses it against another person. Any tool or object that is used as a weapon against another person is by definition an assault weapon. So if you are discussing firearms with someone and they start talking about assault weapons tell them to define what it is, and when they can’t and start labeling the M-16, AR-15, AK-47, UZI etc. as an assault weapon tell them they are wrong and prove it by defining the firearms in question correctly. We in the pro rights community must use the truth and correct definitions to embarrass and ridicule every public anti rights spokesperson every chance we get and remove the made up term of “assault rifle” and “ assault weapon” from the political landscape.
That’s a mighty long paragraph.
The Pro Rights Guide to the Gun Control Terminology Part 1
Firearms definitions
A much wiser man than me said if you can get them to ask the wrong question then you don’t need to worry about the answers. The pro rights movement has been making great strides toward freedom in recent years but the antis are still controlling the dialog. As long as they are allowed to dictate the terminology they can phrase and frame the debate to their advantage.
If we truly wish to win this fight we have to stop letting the liberal media provide the definitions of the key words and phrases. When someone publicly uses the hot button sound bites to shape the debate we need to have a plan for publicly shutting them down. This is my take on some of the key phrases that we hear after every shooting and how to shove them right back at the anti-civil rights establishment.
Assault weapon/rifle: IT DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!!!!! THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!!!!!!!!
Any time you encounter someone talking about an assault something throw it back at them by asking for them to define what it is. There is no real definition of an assault weapon and that is what makes the term so powerful. Because there is no definition politicians can define it to mean anything they want. Once they pass a law that says assault weapon then they can change the definition to add any firearm to the list at will.
The following are real definitions of firearms that can be used to counter the phase ‘assault weapon’; yes I know that most everyone that will take the time to read my little rant knows this but in the off chance that a novice stumbles on to my essay I’m covering the whole range.
Firearms have generally been defined by a combination of the action, the ammo, and or one or two hand operation. Pistols, hand guns, and side arms by definition are firearms that are designed for one handed operation while rifles, shot guns and/or long guns are designed for two handed operation. Revolvers are firearms, mostly hand guns, that have a cylinder magazine that rotates as the trigger or hammer is pulled back lining up the round with the firing pin and the barrel. The cylinder acts as the firearms chamber. Single shot fire arms have no magazine and must have each round manually loaded after each shot. Bolt, lever and pump action firearms have a magazine that use a manually operated lever or slide to extract the spent casing and load the next round into the firing chamber. Last but not least we have shotguns which are firearms that are designed to fire shells that launch multiple projectiles in a pattern. That concludes the noncontroversial firearm definitions.
The types that have all the political issues are the auto loading and automatic firearms. Only auto loading firearms are legal for civilians without a class III federal firearms license. An auto loading firearm taps some of the energy when fired to work the action to automatically eject the spent case and camber the next round. To fire the next round the trigger must be released and pulled again. This action is commonly used for side arms, rifles and, shot guns.
That brings us to the automatic firearms. Automatic firearms for the most part are auto loading firearms that have one operational difference, as soon as the next round is cambered [CHAMBERED] and the breech has locked it fires and the cycle starts all over. The cycle then continues until the trigger is released or the ammo is exhausted.
There are exactly three types of automatic firearms, Gatling guns, machine guns and automatic rifles. Gatling guns use multiple barrels or chambers that are mechanically rotated. As they are rotated the breach is opened the case removed and the next round chambers and ready to fire as soon as the loaded chamber reaches the firing position. These systems are heavy, use massive amounts of ammo, and compared to conventional firearms have a lot of maintenance issues. Common for military operations for use against structures and vehicles they are mostly chambers for light cannon rounds. They primarily used to put massive ordinance on a point target to quickly destroy it. The incredible rate of fire would make them a blast to shoot but not very many people could afford the ammo. Even if they were legal to buy at the corner store not many would want them because of the cost of operating them.
While all three types of automatic firearms are covered by the political definition of machine gun, the real definition of a machinegun is an auto loading fire arm that shoots from the open bolt position. Open bolt means that the bolt and carrier is locked to the rear and the ready round is positioned between the bolt and the breach. When the trigger is pulled the carrier is driven forward slamming the round into the camber [CHAMBER] and firing it. The carrier is then pushed back by the energy of the shot extracting the spend case and positioning the next round for the cycle to continue. When the trigger is released the carrier is then caught at the rear position leaving the barrel open at the muzzle and breech. Because the barrel is open at both ends it allows airflow that cools the barrel down as fast as possible. The primary purpose of a machine gun is sustained fire. To tolerate more heat the machine gun barrel is normally heavier than a rifle barrel cambered [CHAMBERED] for the same ammo and the open bolt allows airflow to help dissipate heat allowing a machine gun to sustain continuous fire without overheating. The tradeoff of the machine guns heavy duty construction needed to withstand the heat of continuous fire is a reduced cyclic rate of fire.
Automatic rifles operate from the closed bolt position, which means that when the rifle is loaded and the trigger is pulled the round is inside the chamber and the bolt is closed. This is exactly the same way the auto loading rifles described earlier operate but they continue to fire until the trigger is released or the ammo is depleted. Because closed bolt operation uses a lighter bolt that normally has a shorter travel, automatic rifles have a faster cyclic rate than a machine gun chambered for the same ammunition.
Machine guns and Gatling guns are normally operated by a crew making weight a secondary issue; automatic rifles normally have a single operator making weight a primary issue. Closed bolts don’t need the masse [MASS] that open bolt operation requires and the barrels are made as light as possible to reduce weight so the rifle and ammo can be easily carried. The tradeoffs [TRADE-OFF] with a closed bolt is you get a lighter more maneuverable firearm with a high cyclic rate but because the thinner barrel cannot withstand as much heat and the closed bolt restricts airflow cooling sustained rate of fire is very low.
Now for those that are looking at this asking “what about the sub-machine gun?”, well the term sub-machine gun was a marketing term used to sell the Thomson automatics. Operationally there is no difference between an automatic rifle and a sub-machine gun, the sub-machine gun is just an automatic rifle chambered to fire a pistol caliber round. The military grade M-16, AK-47, mac-10, and UZI’s and similar weapons are all automatic rifles. The civilian versions of these firearms are auto-loading firearms. Automatic and auto-loading firearms have characteristics that are defined. You cannot change or reclassify an automatic or auto-loading firearm from one category to another without physically altering the gun its self.
There is however no set of qualities or defining features that make a firearm an assault weapon, the only way a firearm becomes an assault weapon is if someone picks it up and deliberately uses it against another person. Any tool or object that is used as a weapon against another person is by definition an assault weapon. So if you are discussing firearms with someone and they start talking about assault weapons tell them to define what it is, and when they can’t and start labeling the M-16, AR-15, AK-47, UZI etc. as an assault weapon tell them they are wrong and prove it by defining the firearms in question correctly.
We in the pro rights community must use the truth and correct definitions to embarrass and ridicule every public anti rights spokesperson every chance we get and remove the made up term of “assault rifle” and “ assault weapon” from the political landscape.
The Pro Rights Guide to the Gun Control Terminology
Part 1
Firearms definitions
A much wiser man than me said if you can get them to ask the wrong question then you don’t need to worry about the answers. The pro rights movement has been making great strides toward freedom in recent years but the antis are still controlling the dialog. As long as they are allowed to dictate the terminology they can phrase and frame the debate to their advantage.
If we truly wish to win this fight we have to stop letting the liberal media provide the definitions of the key words and phrases.
When someone publicly uses the hot button sound bites to shape the debate we need to have a plan for publicly shutting them down. This is my take on some of the key phrases that we hear after every shooting and how to shove them right back at the anti-civil rights establishment. Assault weapon/rifle:
IT DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!!!!! THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!!!!!!!!
Any time you encounter someone talking about an assault something throw it back at them by asking for them to define what it is. There is no real definition of an assault weapon and that is what makes the term so powerful.
Because there is no definition politicians can define it to mean anything they want. Once they pass a law that says assault weapon then they can change the definition to add any firearm to the list at will.
The following are real definitions of firearms that can be used to counter the phase ‘assault weapon’; yes I know that most everyone that will take the time to read my little rant knows this but in the off chance that a novice stumbles on to my essay I’m covering the whole range.
Firearms have generally been defined by a combination of the action, the ammo, and or one or two hand operation. Pistols, hand guns, and side arms by definition are firearms that are designed for one handed operation while rifles, shot guns and/or long guns are designed for two handed operation.
Revolvers are firearms, mostly hand guns, that have a cylinder magazine that rotates as the trigger or hammer is pulled back lining up the round with the firing pin and the barrel. The cylinder acts as the firearms chamber.
Single shot fire arms have no magazine and must have each round manually loaded after each shot.
Bolt, lever and pump action firearms have a magazine that use a manually operated lever or slide to extract the spent casing and load the next round into the firing chamber.
Last but not least we have shotguns which are firearms that are designed to fire shells that launch multiple projectiles in a pattern.
That concludes the noncontroversial firearm definitions.
The types that have all the political issues are the auto loading and automatic firearms. Only auto loading firearms are legal for civilians without a class III federal firearms license.
An auto loading firearm taps some of the energy when fired to work the action to automatically eject the spent case and camber the next round. To fire the next round the trigger must be released and pulled again. This action is commonly used for side arms, rifles and, shot guns.
That brings us to the automatic firearms.
Automatic firearms for the most part are auto loading firearms that have one operational difference, as soon as the next round is cambered and the breech has locked it fires and the cycle starts all over.
The cycle then continues until the trigger is released or the ammo is exhausted. There are exactly three types of automatic firearms, Gatling guns, machine guns and automatic rifles.
Gatling guns use multiple barrels or chambers that are mechanically rotated. As they are rotated the breach is opened the case removed and the next round chambers and ready to fire as soon as the loaded chamber reaches the firing position. These systems are heavy, use massive amounts of ammo, and compared to conventional firearms have a lot of maintenance issues. Common for military operations for use against structures and vehicles they are mostly chambers for light cannon rounds. They primarily used to put massive ordinance on a point target to quickly destroy it. The incredible rate of fire would make them a blast to shoot but not very many people could afford the ammo. Even if they were legal to buy at the corner store not many would want them because of the cost of operating them.
While all three types of automatic firearms are covered by the political definition of machine gun, the real definition of a machinegun is an auto loading fire arm that shoots from the open bolt position.
Open bolt means that the bolt and carrier is locked to the rear and the ready round is positioned between the bolt and the breach. When the trigger is pulled the carrier is driven forward slamming the round into the camber and firing it. The carrier is then pushed back by the energy of the shot extracting the spend case and positioning the next round for the cycle to continue. When the trigger is released the carrier is then caught at the rear position leaving the barrel open at the muzzle and breech. Because the barrel is open at both ends it allows airflow that cools the barrel down as fast as possible. The primary purpose of a machine gun is sustained fire.
To tolerate more heat the machine gun barrel is normally heavier than a rifle barrel cambered for the same ammo and the open bolt allows airflow to help dissipate heat allowing a machine gun to sustain continuous fire without overheating. The tradeoff of the machine guns heavy duty construction needed to withstand the heat of continuous fire is a reduced cyclic rate of fire.
Automatic rifles operate from the closed bolt position, which means that when the rifle is loaded and the trigger is pulled the round is inside the chamber and the bolt is closed.
This is exactly the same way the auto loading rifles described earlier operate but they continue to fire until the trigger is released or the ammo is depleted.
Because closed bolt operation uses a lighter bolt that normally has a shorter travel, automatic rifles have a faster cyclic rate than a machine gun chambered for the same ammunition. Machine guns and Gatling guns are normally operated by a crew making weight a secondary issue; automatic rifles normally have a single operator making weight a primary issue. Closed bolts don’t need the masse that open bolt operation requires and the barrels are made as light as possible to reduce weight so the rifle and ammo can be easily carried.
The tradeoffs with a closed bolt is you get a lighter more maneuverable firearm with a high cyclic rate but because the thinner barrel cannot withstand as much heat and the closed bolt restricts airflow cooling sustained rate of fire is very low.
Now for those that are looking at this asking “what about the sub-machine gun?”, well the term sub-machine gun was a marketing term used to sell the Thomson automatics.
Operationally there is no difference between an automatic rifle and a sub-machine gun, the sub-machine gun is just an automatic rifle chambered to fire a pistol caliber round.
The military grade M-16, AK-47, mac-10, and UZI’s and similar weapons are all automatic rifles.
The civilian versions of these firearms are auto-loading firearms. Automatic and auto-loading firearms have characteristics that are defined.
You cannot change or reclassify an automatic or auto-loading firearm from one category to another without physically altering the gun its self.
There is however no set of qualities or defining features that make a firearm an assault weapon, the only way a firearm becomes an assault weapon is if someone picks it up and deliberately uses it against another person.
Any tool or object that is used as a weapon against another person is by definition an assault weapon.
So if you are discussing firearms with someone and they start talking about assault weapons tell them to define what it is, and when they can’t and start labeling the M-16, AR-15, AK-47, UZI etc. as an assault weapon tell them they are wrong and prove it by defining the firearms in question correctly.
We in the pro rights community must use the truth and correct definitions to embarrass and ridicule every public anti rights spokesperson every chance we get and remove the made up term of “assault rifle” and “ assault weapon” from the political landscape.
Overall, the terminology is very misused. However, you might go back and take a look at where the term Assault may have come from - The Sturmgewehr 44, principally.
It was a lightweight select-fire rifle and is often considered the “modern” assault rifle using smaller shells than other rifles. I am not saying that this event is THE trigger for all of the hysteria today, but it is worth at least some mention in the dialogue.
We more or less agree. Paragraphs are needed - short paragraphs on the Internet. My only other main issue was the difference between “cambered” and “chambered”.
Assault Rifle is a real term. Assault Weapon is meaningless propaganda.
That You Sir!
Paragraphs are Our Friends!!!
How have You been ?
Assault weapon/rifle: IT DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!!!!! THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!!!!!!!!
It was probably a good rant.
The author is wrong about Assault Rifle. It is a term used buy the military to denote a selective fire (auto and semi-auto) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge between a traditional battle rifle and a pistol.
Assault Weapon means whatever some ignorant hoplophobe thinks looks scary.
Understood.... but that was what prompted my post.
whatever
good advice (always) ...
S'cuse me ... what do you mean by that ?
It might be fun to do as one sentence. That would be a good excuse for no paragraphs!
“Common sense” needs to be defined, since the left constantly bleats about the need for “common sense gun control.” Now that I think about it, they like to attach that phrase to most of their issues of the day.
Not relevant. If the government wants you, they will put you in a cage. There are 5000 federal crimes now and about 100,000 other codified rules and regulations. Talking your way out has no bearing. Do you have any idea how many corrupt black robed judges there are? I agree, they have set the narrative and the language. This is partly why queers now have special rights. The Supreme Court just made up a new law that says so.
When I was a young teen a hard as nails retired Gunny moved in next door. He taught me that just about everything is an “assault weapon”. Even a pillow if used properly can get it done.
Use paragraphs.
DEFINED = Total confiscation of all non government owned firearms.
Nobody read a page of text that has not been formatted in paragraphs.
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