Posted on 10/11/2015 10:08:23 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
Liberals like you know so much that isn’t true.
Your hatred of half this country is demonstrated by your continued posts to disparage history and make false claims against the southern States. Liberals do that.
Liberals are the most hate-filled, mean-spirited, envious, resentful, close-minded, violent, murdering, censoring, book-burning, ignorant, uneducated, unskilled, childish, prejudiced, racist, women-hating, man-hating, perverted, thieving, American-hating, Christian-hating, muslim-loving, communist, vulgar, dirty, smelly, regressive, restrictive, prohibitive, bed-wetting, and scared little idiots God has ever created.
Neener-neener.
What “false claims”?
Confederate? Hmmm, I'm from Ohio; however, I'm southern by choice and I truly appreciate the high complement. A good day to you as well...
But not all slave states broke away. Delaware, Maryland Kentucky, Missouri and the new West Virginia remained in the Union as slave states. Even DC still had slavery for several months.
After the Civil War was over, several of these states kept their slaves another eight months under the Stars and Stripes till the Thirteenth amendment was passed.
I watched the movie GETTYSBURG again the other night. One of the interesting lines was spoken by a Confederate. “Hell We should have freed the slaves, THEN bombarded Ft Sumter!”
Massachusetts had no need for slaves. They had plenty of Irish immigrants for their mills and they were considerably cheaper than slaves.
Keep the history, just don’t glorify these slaver DemoRATS by “honoring” them with structures named after them.
It has often been pointed out that the Indian tribes felt they could get a better deal from the confederacy so that is why all the plains tribes from Canada to Mexico went on the warpath, except the pro-Union Pawnee and Crow.
The Cherokees had Stand Watie as a Confederate General, and the last one to surrender. The Choctaws also joined with the Confederacy.
It was generally believed that Confederate agents kept the plains tribes stirred up.
George Bent, the son of charlie Bent of Taos was half Cheyenne who joined the Confederacy and fought in battles in Missouri, Arkansas, and others in the South. Two years later, he and his half brother are living with the Black Kettle band of southern Cheyenne at Sand Creek when Union officer Col. John Chivington attacked them. The scout for Chivington was none other than black mountain man Jim Beckwourth.
When the Canal was dug in New Orleans the slaves started dying of diseases, Irish were brought in to finish the work.
Slaves cost money and when they died it was a loss. No one cared if an hourly paid Mick died of some mosquito borne disease!
True enough (with some conditions). That fact does not refute my statement.
Not every slave-holding state seceded. Some, like Maryland had many residents who wanted to but were prevented from doing so. Some wanted to maintain the status quo and thought their best interests laid in remaining with the union. Some border states were impossibly split on the issue.
Every northern state either prohibited slavery or had a defined path to abolition. No southern state had one. It is obvious that the American people were ambivalent about slavery. Those who knew the law knew that it would take a constitutional amendment in order to outlaw the practice - a move that no one thought possible given the entrenched feelings of the southern slavers. So outlaw it in your own state and hope for eventual enlightenment was the attitude of most northerners.
They didn't have any laws that made it legal either. Slavery just existed until three rulings by the Massachusetts Supreme Court in the 1780s basically made slavery illegal. Between 1790 and 1860 none of the census showed any slaves in the commonwealth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_display_of_the_Confederate_flag
Unofficial military use
During World War II some U.S. military units with Southern nicknames, or made up largely of Southerners, made the flag their unofficial emblem.
The USS Columbia flew a Confederate Navy Ensign as a battle flag throughout combat in the South Pacific in World War II. This was done in honor of Columbia, the ship’s namesake and the capital city of South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union. Some soldiers carried Confederate flags into battle.
After the Battle of Okinawa a Confederate flag was raised over Shuri Castle by a Marine from the self-styled “Rebel Company” (Company A of the 1st Battalion, 5th Marines). It was visible for miles and was taken down after three days on the orders of General Simon B. Buckner, Jr. (son of Confederate general Simon Buckner, Sr.), who stated that it was inappropriate as “Americans from all over are involved in this battle”. It was replaced with the regulation, 48-star flag of the United States.[10] By the end of World War II, the use of the Confederate flag in the military was rare.[11]
http://thecivilwarparlor.tumblr.com/post/84096242227/world-war-ii-how-the-confederate-flag-made-its
I guess because the victors get to revise history to suit themselves. My family had fought in the Revolutionary War; one ancestor supplied meat to them at Valley Forge, others were Huguenots at Williamsburg. Our immediate ancestor ended up in Tennessee after being sent away by his father who owned a plantation and slaves down in Georgia Territory. The son married a Cherokee girl and his mother had a hissy fit. His father gave him his inheritance in gold and sent them away. So, we ended up in Tennessee. After that, I reckon our family wasn’t rich enough to own slaves; but, the Yanks were “down here”, so they went and fought. - My daddy was an infantry soldier in N. Africa, Italy & Germany during WWII; a war that had a profound effect on me. He was shell shocked all to hell. I’ve wished he’d taught me marksmanship; at 69 years old, it’s hard to get proficient in my aim.
“Not condoning Shermans methods but he said “War is cruel. The crueler it is the sooner it’s over’’.”
My points are:
1) The essential hypocrisy of the left regarding “war crimes”. The same leftists who today express outrage at slavery practiced 150 years ago, or the waterboarding of Muslim terrorists, can easily justify the scorched earth tactics, rape, and murder employed by Sherman agains the civilian population of the South. Sherman’s savagery demonstrates that morality is situational and self defined, not absolute.
2) The fact most southerners were independent farmers and not slaveholders. They suffered death, loss of property, starvation, and poverty for decades after the Civil War. To levy reparations on them for slavery is unjust.
No law needed because because court case plus constitution eliminated it.
On July 8, 1783, slavery was effectively abolished in Massachusetts, with the ruling by the Massachusetts Supreme Court in the Commonwealth v. Jennison case. A slave named Quock Walker sued his owner for his freedom. The court ruled that he was free and the Commonwealth brought suit for wrongful imprisonment of Walker by Jennison. The court used the Massachusetts Declaration of Rights, that state "all men are born free and equal", as the basis for saying that slavery was abolished under the Massachusetts Constitution, which include the Declaration of Rights.
Ignorance? That’s you all over Confederate. You backed the losing side. Tell me chump, how is it you come to a conservative website venerating south slave owning democrats?
I’m an American. Not a ‘’northerner’’ or a “Yankee’’ What are you?
What was the flag raised over Mt. Surabachi? And what flag do our men and women serve under? The Stars And Stripes or the Stars And Bars?
I swore I would stay out of these conversations, but MA abolished slavery in its first constitution...I think it was 1786 or 1789.
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