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Trump Filled the Vacuum Caused by the Fracture in the Conservative Movement
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | October 4, 2016 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/04/2016 12:56:04 PM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 10/04/2016 12:56:04 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

He’s right, Rush.

You weren’t driving the Trump Train.
Though you were certainly welcome to hop on-board.


2 posted on 10/04/2016 1:07:01 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin
Rush is right. This isn't Trump's doing. I've seen increasing discontent from the conservative base for the Washington conservative establishment right here in this forum for at least the last 10 years. It is this phenomenon Ted Cruz hoped he could ride to the nomination until Trump pushed him aside.

Rush is also right that the people who write about American conservatism don't get this because they don't really understand it. But, as always, there are exceptions. In the last year some of the best insight about what is really going on has come from Peggy Noonan and James Taranto of the WSJ. The information is out there but the MSM don't want to see it.

3 posted on 10/04/2016 1:13:03 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Kaslin

Trump became the candidate because the ‘Pubbies have completely discredited themselves with the conservative base.
We gave them the power to counter Obama and they did - nothing.


4 posted on 10/04/2016 1:30:21 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Kaslin

This is pure BS. There is no fracture in the conservative movement. There are conservatives and there are pseudo-conservatives. Two different things altogether.


5 posted on 10/04/2016 1:39:37 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Kaslin
"... we were conservative principles. We are conservative principles. This is the one place where conservative principles have not changed."

Conservative principals...were not arrogant, pompous, over-the-top patrician speech and with pretended aristocratic unfounded blue blood......That is what a Conservative IS NOT....neither was RR...William Buckley was all of the above. WB did have a grand grasp of the English language AND he knew how to use it...however the rest of that aristocratic facade was just that...a myth.

Trump can claim pretty much the same back ground as William B. however, his up-bringing was honest, strong values and appreciation of what hard work can do...Trump is the antitheses of the Buckley Conservative.

Given a choice....I personally like the Trump Conservative; None of the Political Correctness of some of the old and today's newer Conservatives.

6 posted on 10/04/2016 1:40:28 PM PDT by yoe ( Another Adorable Deplorable.....)
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To: Starboard

This is pure BS. There is no fracture in the conservative movement. There are conservatives and there are pseudo-conservatives. Two different things altogether.


And what has the “conservative movement” achieved post Reagan era? Nothing. Therefore you could argue there is no conservative movement. What you have, IMO, is grass roots conservative voters being abused by climbing career “conservative” politicians like Ted Cruz. Conservatism has been so caricatured and marginalized as to not be a force in national politics.


7 posted on 10/04/2016 1:48:28 PM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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8 posted on 10/04/2016 1:49:04 PM PDT by orchestra ((And there were also two other, malefactors, led with him to be put to death.))
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To: Starboard
This is pure BS. There is no fracture in the conservative movement. There are conservatives and there are pseudo-conservatives. Two different things altogether.

Trump is no Conservative, let's not delude ourselves. He's a populist with some Conservative leanings. A true Conservative at least in diction was Ted Cruz and he was soundly defeated, even in Pubbie only primary states. Constitutional Conservatism is not a majority school of thought in the US and it will be hard to get a true Conservative elected. The mushy middle mouthbreathers buy too many cliches and watches too much reality TV. In addition they suck on the teat of government somewhat also.

9 posted on 10/04/2016 1:49:24 PM PDT by pburgh01 (We need to repeal the XIX Amendment.)
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To: Kaslin
There is no definition of "conservatism" that everyone calling themselves a conservative will agree on.

Conservatism in some ways is as much a mental disorder as liberalism.

10 posted on 10/04/2016 1:52:52 PM PDT by lewislynn (Ryan is the other half of the reason Romney got creamed by a negro with a Nobel)
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To: Kaslin

The GOP committed suicide when it screwed over its voting based by promising it would take Obama on once it controlled Congress. Once it had a majority, it rolled over and played dead and did everything Obama wanted. The GOP was screwed from then on in terms of credibility and conservative loyalty.


11 posted on 10/04/2016 1:54:00 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Little Ray
We gave them the power to counter Obama and they did - nothing.

They did worse than nothing. They campaigned in 2014 promising to refuse to fund obama's unconstitutional immigration mandates and then as soon as they were sworn in they immediately funded it...all of it. Then the Senate promptly abandoned their constitutional duty to advice and consent all treaties and gave obama the go ahead and allow Iran to produce nukes. They screwed us and smiled the whole time. We NEED Trump and they DESERVE Trump!

12 posted on 10/04/2016 1:56:48 PM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent MajorityStands With TRUMP!)
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To: pburgh01

“A true Conservative at least in diction was Ted Cruz”

If conservatism is a no fly zone over Syria, handing out soccer balls to invading Mexicans, being an ineligible candidate for President, and co-writing TPA to ensure TPP... then yes.


13 posted on 10/04/2016 2:09:08 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: pburgh01

Please explain to what exactly is a “Constitutional Conservative” and why T. Cruz is one and D Trump is not?

It certainly has nothing to do with their positions on issues. They are running on.

I’m not being snarky I just do not understand people can say that D Trump does not stand up in the right way for constitutional issues.


14 posted on 10/04/2016 2:15:30 PM PDT by Fai Mao (PIAPS for Prison 2016)
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To: kaehurowing
You are ignoring the fact that the republicans only controlled the senate by a simple majority. If they had super majority that would have made a lot of difference

Of course Senator McConnell is to blame that he did not insist on super majority requirement like dingy Harry Reid did.

15 posted on 10/04/2016 2:19:23 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: kaehurowing

The LEADERSHIP rolled over and played dead. There were conservatives fighting the fight, but they had to fight BOTH, the Democrats and the Vichy Republicans.


16 posted on 10/04/2016 2:21:38 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Kaslin

Trump is the result of the Republican branch of the Uni-Party screwing over the citizens that voted them into control of both houses of Congress.

Trump is in effect, if not name, a third party candidate.


17 posted on 10/04/2016 2:36:12 PM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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There was a heck of a lot they could have done by not cooperating with Obama on matters like the budget. But they just rolled over and lost all bargaining power. And Obama has just ignored them ever since, either just claiming he has the excutive right to do what he wants, or essentially steamrolling Democrat bills through which they can’t stop because they gave up their power (example, what just happened in terms of the latest stop-gap spending bill.

The other thing they could have done was invoke the nuclear option and say the rule prohibiting it was no longer in force because the Democrats had already broken the rule.


18 posted on 10/04/2016 2:44:25 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Kaslin

The so called conservative movement is a fake movement because it has achieved very little which is conservative.

Obamacare defunded?
Wall built on border?
Abortions reduced?
Planned Parenthood defunded?
ISIS defeated?
Less terror attacks worldwide by Islamists?
Less Americans on food stamps?
Americans earning less real wages than 2 decades ago?
Regulations on small business reduced?
National debt reduced? (IN SPITE of US Treasury taking in more revenues than ever)
Less illegals in country than ever?


19 posted on 10/04/2016 2:45:49 PM PDT by entropy12 (GO DONALD J TRUMP! MAGA!!!)
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To: pgkdan

Dunno ‘bout “need” Trump, but we definitely need to try something different.

I am not sanguine about a Trump Administration. I think the best we can hope for is “business as usual (pre-Obama).” It ain’t much, but it would be an improvement.

We might get lucky, though. He might be what we need. Which will hurt - a lot.


20 posted on 10/04/2016 2:55:06 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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