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National Reciprocity: If Not Now, When?
America's1stFreedom ^ | 23 June 17 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 06/25/2017 4:25:19 AM PDT by SkyPilot

On June 14, an attacker with leftist affiliations opened fire on Republican congressional members, some of whom afterward expressed that they wished they had been armed when the shooting started.

In fact, one Congressman who was not present—Rep. Chris Collins, R-N.Y.—indicated that images of the attack and reports of colleagues who were wounded have convinced him to carry a gun on his person going forward. He told WKBW, “If you look at the vulnerability, I assure you: I have a carry permit. I will be carrying when I’m out and about.” He continued: “On a rare occasion, I’d have my gun in a glove box or something, but it’s going to be in my pocket from this day forward.”

While we must applaud Collins’ determination to take steps to have the tools at hand necessary to defend his life, his comments also force us to confront a larger problem in our nation—a problem that weakens the defensive posture not only of congressmen with concealed permits, but everyday citizens too. This larger problem is the patchwork of concealed-carry laws that allow a concealed-carry permit holder in Texas to carry in Arizona, but criminalizes carrying in California.

Such laws allow a permit holder to carry his gun for self-defense in Indiana, but criminalize carrying in Illinois.

How can it even be possible that a citizen is considered law-abiding when exercising his Second Amendment rights in one state, but is guilty of a crime for exercising them in another?

This has long been a point of frustration for law-abiding citizens, and the Alexandria attack only exacerbated it.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; congress; guns; nationalreciprocity
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We need National Reciprocity for concealed carry passed yesterday, but I believe Congress will never do it. I am shocked, dismayed, and angered by how ineffective, cowardly, and "do nothing" this GOP Congress really is.

Moreover, versions of the House and especially the Senate version are completely flawed. They will not allow citizens residing in states that are hostile to gun rights to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights (Hawaii, California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, etc).

For us, it just "tough luck."

What is with this GOP Congress? Are they so infested with "Never Trumpers" and hatred for the Presdident that they simply refuse to pass anything?

Even in the wake of the shooting of GOP members of Congress, they are doing nothing. My prediction is they will pass a law for themselves only - one that allows members of Congress to concealed carry a handgun in DC and other places, but not the rest of us lemmings.

1 posted on 06/25/2017 4:25:19 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

“Such laws allow a permit holder to carry his gun for self-defense in Indiana, but criminalize carrying in Illinois.”

My Illinois CCL is valid in Indiana but Indiana’s is not in Illinois. Just a clarification.

L


2 posted on 06/25/2017 4:30:21 AM PDT by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: SkyPilot

Why is south Carolina red on that map?


3 posted on 06/25/2017 4:34:31 AM PDT by bankwalker (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.)
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To: SkyPilot

What is with the green in Pennsylvania and the red in solid flyover country like Nebraska and South Carolina?


4 posted on 06/25/2017 4:34:34 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: SkyPilot
Refusal by some states to honor the laws of other states is yet another way many modern-day politicians ignore our Constitution.

United States Constitution

Article IV (Article 4 - States' Relations), Section 1

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.


5 posted on 06/25/2017 4:36:33 AM PDT by Avalon Memories (The question about fighting back is not what average people can to do, but how to do we do it?)
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The NY rep indicates the ball players should have been armed? Really? They are going to pack heat on the ball field?

It would have been far better if their “guards” hadn’t been sitting on their butts in the air conditioned car and actually been providing the security they were paid to provide.

The victims were lucky there weren’t 10 dead folks there.


6 posted on 06/25/2017 4:36:41 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Lurker

The issue I have with national concealed carry is the same issue I have with Obamacare.

Do we want the fed gov taking over our concealed carry rights?? They would take that over and screw it up faster than anything.

It would be so draconian. No way!


7 posted on 06/25/2017 4:39:18 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: SkyPilot

I’m not in favor of the feds having any more power in this area.

You are guaranteed that national Constitutional carry is not going to happen any time soon. So what requirements will the feds impose for a state’s permit to be valid nationally? You are much more likely to see permissive “shall issue” states being required to enhance restrictions than restrictive states being required to loosen them.

We are making steady progress, year by year, state by state. Let’s not screw it up by getting the feds involved.


8 posted on 06/25/2017 4:42:32 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: SkyPilot

Keep the feds out of this. States can work it all out themselves.


9 posted on 06/25/2017 4:47:19 AM PDT by canalabamian
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How can it even be possible that a citizen is considered law-abiding when exercising his Second Amendment rights in one state, but is guilty of a crime for exercising them in another?

Because of the 10th Amendment.

10 posted on 06/25/2017 4:48:17 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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The 10th doesn’t allow states to violate the 2nd. Or 1st, 4th,5th, or any other.


11 posted on 06/25/2017 4:55:28 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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The 10th doesn’t allow states to violate the 2nd. Or 1st, 4th,5th, or any other.

In the Heller decision, the Supreme Court recognized a state's power to place reasonable restrictions on firearms. That makes it a 10th Amendment issue.

12 posted on 06/25/2017 5:00:09 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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I live in Suffolk County NY, Congressman, I wonder if I could get a carry permit. Actually I don’t have to wonder at all...


13 posted on 06/25/2017 5:15:32 AM PDT by TalBlack
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The Bill of Rights are rights afforded every person in the USA and is therefore not a states right issue.

The Heller decision should not interfere with reciprocity between states. In other words, the state that issues a permit is merely the paper holder for the weapon.

14 posted on 06/25/2017 5:32:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: DoodleDawg

In the Dred Scott decision...

In Roe vs Wade...


15 posted on 06/25/2017 5:42:56 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: PROCON

Ping - movement for National Reciprocity (with map)


16 posted on 06/25/2017 6:07:37 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (The Fourth Estate has become Fifth column !)
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To: Sacajaweau
And yet I can't get a single smart person to tell me why I need a piece of paper to carry a item that is not only a Constitutionally protected right but a God given right to protect my family, my self and my neighbor.

Oh wait I don't need anyone's permission

17 posted on 06/25/2017 6:09:39 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. T)
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And yet I can't get a single smart person to tell me why I need a piece of paper to carry a item that is not only a Constitutionally protected right but a God given right to protect my family, my self and my neighbor.

Oh wait I don't need anyone's permission

18 posted on 06/25/2017 6:09:52 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. T)
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And yet I can't get a single smart person to tell me why I need a piece of paper to carry a item that is not only a Constitutionally protected right but a God given right to protect my family, my self and my neighbor.

Oh wait I don't need anyone's permission

19 posted on 06/25/2017 6:10:05 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. T)
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To: SkyPilot

we need national constitutional carry, then reciprocity won’t matter


20 posted on 06/25/2017 6:10:57 AM PDT by Mom MD
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