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NHS provokes fury with indefinite surgery ban for smokers and obese (socialized medicine)
The Telegraph ^ | 10-18-2017 | Laura Donnelly

Posted on 10/18/2017 6:37:13 AM PDT by NRx

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To: NRx

but politically protected groups like gays who get AIDS and Hep C will get all the treatments they could ever desire, even though lifestyles are massively risky as well ...

btw, what’s next? denial of medications to smokers and the obese?


61 posted on 10/18/2017 11:24:29 AM PDT by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
The day before the surgery was scheduled the surgeon,despite my dermatologist's advice that all was well,said "no way will it happen tomorrow...you're at too big a risk for infection".It was another month before the wound was healed enough for the surgery to be done.

I had no say in the matter.

Well, you don't want to get a nosocomial infection. I had one of those after my back surgery, and it nearly took me out. It's bad enough when you aren't trying to recover from being sliced, diced, wired, and stapled back together.

62 posted on 10/18/2017 1:03:14 PM PDT by thulldud
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To: thulldud
Well, you don't want to get a nosocomial infection.

Yup,I understood that.The point I was trying to make in mentioning that was that while it's almost always a bad idea for government bureaucrats (like those at the NHS) to make decisions of this sort there are times when a procedure should be postponed (or canceled) for medical reasons...like smoking or being overweight.

63 posted on 10/18/2017 1:45:01 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (ObamaCare Works For Those Who Don't.)
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To: NRx

So are they going to ration care for risky sexual and drug behaviors??? I didn’t think so....


64 posted on 10/18/2017 2:14:41 PM PDT by Enchante (Bill, Anthony, Harvey .... how does lesbo Hillary manage to surround herself with male predators???)
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To: NRx

Because Single Payer could never result in Death Panels.


65 posted on 10/18/2017 2:28:10 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The "God Gene" is evolution's way of saying "Chaos Sucks!")
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To: NRx

And with today’s high percentage of obesity, access problems solved!


66 posted on 10/18/2017 2:55:01 PM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: Lazamataz

Absolutely Laz. It’s just politics and voting taken to it’s logical conclusion.

Fat? Smoker? Ornery? Gun owner? Need medical care?

We’ll have this panel, see, and everyone will have a vote. Heck, we’ll even give the patient a vote along with the doctors, the administrators, and everyone else who wants to meet the budget. We’ll vote on whether you get to live. What could be more fair and democratic than an election?


67 posted on 10/18/2017 3:46:22 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (There's a voter born every minute.)
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To: Eleutheria5

No. We’re far more civilized than that. Those who shoot the people’s deer will be tried. There will be a fair and democratic vote. And THEN they’ll be hanged by the neck until dead.


68 posted on 10/18/2017 3:58:14 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (There's a voter born every minute.)
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To: NRx

Too much beer? No help for you. Drink a little wine? Too bad!, Whiskey? You are as good as dead!


69 posted on 10/18/2017 4:02:20 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Robin o’ Locksley, thou shouldst be living in this day! Trials? Who would have imagined.


70 posted on 10/18/2017 11:56:17 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: NRx

Jeeze. Stupid Brits, just when you think they can’t get any stupider. NHS still paying for sex change surgery? I’d bet they are. So, if you’re fat or a smoker, do you get to stop paying NHS taxes? It seems only fair. What Britain needs is another William the Conqueror.


71 posted on 10/19/2017 1:10:05 AM PDT by jim35 (The Tree of Liberty is coming in to bloom again.)
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To: HangnJudge

If this is true, why induce the severe suffering of
surgery at all, if it’s not going to make any difference?


Why do it at all? Well, I guess that’s just not you decision to make, is it judge? So, you keep your nose in your business, and let other free people decide what’s best, without you and the gov taking over that decision.


72 posted on 10/19/2017 1:15:02 AM PDT by jim35 (The Tree of Liberty is coming in to bloom again.)
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To: central_va

Smokers should be required to have a license and to have special insurance to cover COPD and cancer.


You should have a special license to be a fascist. It’s easy to get. Just go register as a democrat at any motor-voter facility.


73 posted on 10/19/2017 1:19:53 AM PDT by jim35 (The Tree of Liberty is coming in to bloom again.)
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To: JimRed

No, but allow them to live or die with the consequences of their own BEHAVIOR.


Just what do you mean by that? Deny them health care, as decided by you? Who are you to decide? Now go to the gym. And stop aging. Put that fork down. You would not want to live in a country where your own rules would affect your life so profoundly. Also: You should thank a smoker every day, since they are paying so many bills for you, you ingrate.


74 posted on 10/19/2017 1:30:23 AM PDT by jim35 (The Tree of Liberty is coming in to bloom again.)
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To: NRx

Bet you my next EBT card that they are approving aids treatment, abortions, sex “change” operations, and euthanasia.


75 posted on 10/19/2017 3:37:40 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Lying Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: NRx

Extreme, but health insurance premiums need to be adjusted, perhaps radically, for the grossly obese, heavy drinkers and tobacco users, just as they are for life insurance.


76 posted on 10/19/2017 3:52:15 AM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: jim35
So, I should joyfully pay for the consequences of the behavior of others? Got it!

I don't see them lining up to subsidize the results of my less-than-wise decisions!

Deny them health care, as decided by you?

I never said DENY them anything. Just don't expect ME to pay for it.

77 posted on 10/19/2017 6:44:24 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I’m very curious if this pertains to elective surgeries or all surgeries.

This is very worrisome! I’ve been in discussions with people from the UK and Canada. I can’t believe people actually think they have a superior system. They don’t call patients back to answer questions or concerns. There are no second opinions. It’s impersonal. What is interesting is they don’t know any difference. They boast that they don’t pay premiums like we do. But, I’m shocked at what I read about their treatment plans. Sometimes heartbreaking because I know there are other options.


78 posted on 10/19/2017 6:54:23 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: Gay State Conservative

Heavy,long time,smokers are not good surgical risks.Neither are those who are substantially overweight. <<

and your point being?.....


79 posted on 10/19/2017 9:40:08 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: NRx

And yet male queers spreading AIDS like infected monkeys are readily treated as is genital mutilation surgery seemingly acceptable.


80 posted on 10/19/2017 10:24:14 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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