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Devin Kelley: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know (UPDATE!!)
Heavy ^ | 11-05-2017 | Jessica Mcbride

Posted on 11/05/2017 4:05:49 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

Edited on 11/06/2017 5:49:11 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Devin P. Kelley, who was court martialed from the U.S. Air Force, was identified as the gunman who walked into the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Sunday morning and murdered at least 26 people, wounding many more in the tiny, rural community near San Antonio...

.....His LinkedIn page also says, “I am a hard working dedicated person. I live by the core values on which the Air Force go by.”

However, CBS News reported that the suspect is former “US Air Force E1 (2010-2014) He received a dishonorable discharge He was court martialed in May 2014.”....

UPDATE

La Times, Wash Post, and CBS now say Kelley had a bad conduct discharge, not a dishonorable discharge.

Man identified as Texas shooter was court-martialed for assault on his spouse and child

The man authorities have identified as the shooter in the massacre at a Texas church was given a bad conduct discharge from the Air Force three years ago after being court-martialed for assault, a military spokesperson confirmed Sunday.

Federal law prohibits a person who has been dishonorably discharged from buying a firearm. Whether Kelley's discharge would trigger the law was not immediately clear......."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 201405; courtmartial; devinkelley; devinpatrickkelley; discharge; dishonorable; shooting; sutherlandsprings; texas; usaf
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Actually, if the FBI is doing its job correctly, the investigation will be very quiet. We have been conditioned over the last 8-16 years that the FBI does not do its job correctly.

Having said that, I will need to see thorough, complete police work to put together a definitive time line, list of accomplices, etc. at the end of the investigation process to believe this is not a cover-up.


141 posted on 11/06/2017 5:09:13 AM PST by MortMan (NFL kneelers: A colonoscopy is not supposed to be a self-exam.)
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To: Labyrinthos

True. With the photo being posted on Facebook, I assumed this was a new acquisition, but maybe not.

Since he was apparently convicted and discharged for assaulting his wife and child, you’d think they might mention his guns to the SPs while he was in prison.


142 posted on 11/06/2017 5:14:58 AM PST by The Pack Knight
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To: patriotfury

I just posted this on another thread but it fits here too.

Is it completely impossible to imagine the background check system being subverted to allow some deranged creeps who are prohibited to get approval to purchase firearms?

Keep in mind that the DOJ and FBI etc have been hiring almost exclusively non-white male SJWs for the past decade, and it gets even worse in terms of an agenda. Read about the FBI involvement on the wrong side in the Garland TX event that would have been a massacre.

Links below.

And of course, let’s not forget Operation Fast and Furious, which involved ATF and FBI from CA to TX, not only AZ. No whistle blowers came forward until after BP Agent Terry (a brother FLEA) was killed. None of them seemed to mind the basic OFAF plan, to push guns to cartels in Mexico, to rack up a body count of Mexicans, in order to slime the 2nd Amd.

So is it out of bounds to even imagine a program to allow deranged lunatics to purchase firearms?

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/fbi-agent-didnt-try-to-stop-garland-jihad-attackers-did-fbi-want-pamela-geller-and-robert-spencer-dead

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/08/08/pamela-geller-fbi-want-us-dead-garland/


143 posted on 11/06/2017 5:17:49 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

You may also remember Bill Clinton, proactively working behind the scenes to bring in thousands of actual Chinese AK-47’s through I believe San Francisco.

There was a real effort to quiet down many involved or with knowledge of what was going on.

If I recall correctly, police were getting gunned down or in shootouts with gangs in CA, with the same AK-47’s the Clinton administration had secretly helped to arrange.

The media tried to cover for the Clintons.


144 posted on 11/06/2017 5:45:00 AM PST by patriotfury (May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tent!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

On the radio today, they were saying that guns are also banned in Churches and Bars in Texas...

Guess that ban didn’t work out so good either.


145 posted on 11/06/2017 5:50:25 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: All
UPDATE

La Times, Wash Post, and CBS now say Kelley had a bad conduct discharge, not a dishonorable discharge.

Man identified as Texas shooter was court-martialed for assault on his spouse and child

The man authorities have identified as the shooter in the massacre at a Texas church was given a bad conduct discharge from the Air Force three years ago after being court-martialed for assault, a military spokesperson confirmed Sunday.

Federal law prohibits a person who has been dishonorably discharged from buying a firearm. Whether Kelley's discharge would trigger the law was not immediately clear......."

146 posted on 11/06/2017 5:51:06 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: BenLurkin
>>As for why his time teaching “Bible” to children was brief, it sounds like he did a bad job of it.

That might be a big clue into is mental state. Teaching false doctrine was he?

Observe the Anti-Fa core system of beliefs being exemplified in Charlottesville:


147 posted on 11/06/2017 6:09:29 AM PST by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: HLPhat
Teaching false doctrine was he?

After hearing more about this militant atheist, I'd bet dollars to donuts that he was "teaching" the children that the Bible is not the word of God.

148 posted on 11/06/2017 6:13:29 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Not that facts and accuracy matter very much but it was a Bad Conduct Discharge, not a Dishonorable Discharge.


149 posted on 11/06/2017 6:15:32 AM PST by ops33 (SMSgt, USAF, Retired)
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To: chris37

“So don’t propose more laws as if they are a solution to anything, because they ain’t.”

Oh, come on, don’t you understand anything? First you pass a law against digging ditches, then when people still dig ditches you outlaw shovels, then when people still manage to get their hands on shovels and dig ditches you pass a law to shut down hardware stores. What is so hard to grasp? You Trump followers just don’t get how logic works, do you? Why don’t we want them to dig ditches in the first place? It’s because they might drain that low spot in the back yard that holds water after a rain so it is covered under the “wetlands” law. Don’t make me go into that.


150 posted on 11/06/2017 6:16:16 AM PST by RipSawyer (Racism is racism regardless of the race of the racist)
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To: ops33

Read the update.


151 posted on 11/06/2017 6:17:23 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: BenLurkin
>>"teaching" the children that the Bible is not the word of God.
 
2nd protects 1st.  It's my opinionated observation that The Word doesn't contradict Natural Law when it comes to governing human behavior.
 
Fortunately, in some places at least, the plumbers still outnumber the insane Anti-fa atheist chicken-hawks in America.

Guess Kelley didn't get the memo and/or was unable to articulate a reasonable response.


"...finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "
 
"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 

152 posted on 11/06/2017 6:33:12 AM PST by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: txgirl4Bush

Didn’t Wikileaks recently publish the entire antifa membership roster?


153 posted on 11/06/2017 6:40:22 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
>>“I am a hard working dedicated person. I live by the core values on which the Air Force go by.”

How's that workin' at the USAFA football/rapist factory these days?

To do what is right for some else, even though you know it may not go well for you, that is the character trait we are missing in the Air Force today. I believe integrity has gone to the waste side at USAFA
—Staff Sergeant Brandon Enos, (USAFOSI “Operation Gridiron”)
http://cryptome.org/2014/08/brandon-enos.pdf

That'd be the same STEM-worshiping institution, BTW, where a 3 Star L.I.F.E.R. recently stood in front of the 1 star personification of Romans 1:26 and ordered 5000 cadets to accept "diversity" or "get out".

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Hate+crime+USAFA

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Lesbian+Fake+Hate+Crimes

A culture that worships itself, destroys itself.  That's as predictable as gravity.

154 posted on 11/06/2017 6:59:23 AM PST by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: Labyrinthos; Anti-Bubba182

It turns out, according to a number of reports, he received a BCD, not a dishonorable discharge, which is sort of what I suspected. Most of the media don’t understand the difference between the two, and dishonorable discharges are pretty rare. Bergdahl aside, I didn’t think dishonorable discharges unaccompanied by a lengthy prison sentence were common.

The BCD would not prevent him from owning a gun. However, it was still illegal for him to possess a gun under either 922(g)(1) or (9) because he was convicted of either a felony or a misdemeanor of domestic violence.


155 posted on 11/06/2017 7:02:37 AM PST by The Pack Knight
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The two levels of courts-martial that can sentence to a discharge are: Special Courts-Martial empowered to administer a Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD); and of course, the General Courts-Martial (GCM) which can administer EITHER the BCD or a Dishonorable Discharge (DD). Depending on either the judge sitting alone as "the jury", which is something the accused gets to decide, whether he/she wishes the judge or jury to determine punishment, or a jury will decide his fate.

I worked as a Senior NCO in the Army's Judge Advocate General's Corps for several base Staff Judge Advocate's offices. Mainly I worked with the military Trial Counsels (the Army's prosecutors) but my last assignment before retirement was with Defense Counsels.

I have seen many GCM's administer BCD's instead of the DD. Usually because the judge or the jury did not feel after all charges are adjudicated that a DD was needed. They use the BCD as a fall back discharge there. I have also seen the Special Courts with BCD power convict but not administer a discharge at all as part of the punishment.

BCD Special courts can administer confinement up to six months, forfeiture of pay up to six months, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade and the BCD. A GCM can administer whatever maximum punishment the Manuel for Courts-Martial (MCM) provides for the various offenses. Such as the death penalty were charged and convicted and a DD, confinement up to the max that MCM provides. I have seen a murder case in Germany give a DD, total forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to the lowest enlisted grade and the death penalty. It was the Matthews case where this punk murdered the wife of a Warrant Officer in the base library I believe it was, at the major training base in Germany, called Graf. I cannot spell the entire name of Graf. Grafenvier is how you say it, but that is not how you spell it. As I remember, Matthews did not get executed. There were appeals courts all over the place back then as to if the death penalty could be administgered and I think, THINK, that Matthews and all the guys on death row out at the United States Disciplinary Barracks (USDB) at Leavenworth (not to be confused with the federal pen at Leavenworth, they are different prisons) got changed to life without parole instead of executions because of all that mess. It was back in the 1980s, so I have forgotten. Sorry for the ramble.

156 posted on 11/06/2017 7:13:58 AM PST by RetiredArmy (We are in the Last Days of human history. Jesus is coming back, & soon! Do U know Him?)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

According to the article he received a Bad Conduct Discharge not a Dishonorable Discharge so what you cited does not apply although other laws and statutes may.


157 posted on 11/06/2017 7:16:55 AM PST by Nuocmam (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: RipSawyer

LOL!

That was funny :D

I’m so over politicians and “lawmakers”.

The positions need to be eliminated.


158 posted on 11/06/2017 7:17:42 AM PST by chris37 (Take a week off racist >;-)
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159 posted on 11/06/2017 7:22:16 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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160 posted on 11/06/2017 7:37:13 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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