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Drugs kill more Americans than guns, cars and AIDS. How we got here.
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Posted on 01/28/2018 7:37:25 AM PST by JP1201

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To: JP1201

If I can get a doctor to prescribe a pill for my mental health issue, then I have a disease and it’s not my fault. It absolves me from responsibility to take action and work on my problem.


41 posted on 01/28/2018 9:35:05 AM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: JP1201

Put drug dealers to death. That is how to deal with the problem

Remember that Obama put thousands of these people back on the streets as “non-violent criminals.”

Somewhere, Heisenberg is laughing.


42 posted on 01/28/2018 9:41:38 AM PST by kaehurowing
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To: generally

I have no sympathy. What I have seen is the average age of heroin addicts is the ages of 20-35. Unlikely most of them were prescribed pain pills from a physician. They are too young to have a doctor believe they are in chronic pain. I can accept that someone in their 40s-60s were addicts because they were prescribed pain meds. However, what I see is a younger age group addicted to heroin.The MSM is placing blame on the medical system solely, and ignoring that heroin is being brought into this country by Mexico. If they actually admitted that, it would lend more support for the wall and tougher border security. They don’t want to admit that, so they blame the healthcare system.


43 posted on 01/28/2018 9:46:10 AM PST by kaila
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To: Erik Latranyi
We do not teach people how to deal with their feelings and emotions. This is why drug and alcohol use are at all-time highs.

Great post! I would add that it not just feelings and emotions that people are not willing to deal with. Most people in our society also have very little tolerance for pain, discomfort, or even inconvenience. There are those of us who some of us who will go a little too far the other direction at times also.

A few years ago I had been suffering from abdominal pain for a couple of weeks. Then it got better for a week or so before it started getting worse again. My wife said my complexion was changing colors and said that if I didn't go to get it checked out she would shoot me herself.

It turned out that my appendix had ruptured over a week before and I had developed a severe life threatening infection from all of the goo leaking into my abdominal cavity. They told my poor wife that my chances were not good.

The emergency surgery lasted for over two hours while surgeons and medical staff temporarily removed my intestines from my abdominal cavity and thoroughly washed everything down and loaded me up with antibiotics.

When I woke up I had a machine attached to my IV that would deliver morphine into my blood when I pushed a button. They told me that I was going to be in a lot of pain when the medication from the surgery wore off and to push the button when that happened. But I never experienced what I consider a lot of pain and didn't have to use the button.

I just wanted to get out of the hospital so I could go on experiencing my amazing life. They said I was going to have to stay under observation in the hospital for a week. But after just two and a half days I had been such a pest to the nursing staff that the head surgeon came in on his drill weekend in his BDUs. He said to my wife, “Your a nurse. We do not think that Lt. Miller is happy here. Would you take him home, keep an eye on him and make sure that he doesn't hurt himself?”

She agreed. The next day I had to fight with her, but I got back on my bicycle with tubes and puss collecting sack still hanging out of my abdomen but hidden under my jacket. But I took it easy and didn't climb any steep hills. I have always had more than a bit of trouble from an ADHD type of personality. If I had remained sitting around I probably would have started focusing on my discomfort. Exercise and accomplishing things is strong medicine.

44 posted on 01/28/2018 9:49:20 AM PST by fireman15
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To: JP1201

“I can make more money spending five minutes with a patient and prescribing a pill than I can spending an hour with the patient in psychotherapy.”

Giving degrees in pschyobabble is probably one of the problems. At least the addict getting drugs feels better for a while. An hour of psycho-pseudotherapry does no patient good.

This is another 100% manufactured crisis, yet “conservatives” fall all over themselves looking for the Feds to come save them. Like dogs to vomit!

I hope all you self-righteous drug warriors contract a chronic disease that is as painful as possible. Then, let me hear you talk about keeping efficacious pain medication from patients. Opioids are addictive; however for many chronic patients, they offer the only relief. I’d rather see every addict OD than see one worthy individual denied pain meds because of some stupid federal policy.

Denying pain medication is not tantamount to torture; it is torture.


47 posted on 01/28/2018 9:57:25 AM PST by antidisestablishment ( Xenophobia is the only sane response to multiculturalismÂ’s irrational cultural exuberance)
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To: kaila
What I have seen is the average age of heroin addicts is the ages of 20-35.

You are of course completely correct. The vast majority of the ODs that I responded to during my career were young people. The only older people that I can recall who Overdosed that we responded to were typically suicide attempts or suicides.

48 posted on 01/28/2018 9:57:46 AM PST by fireman15
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To: DesertRhino

Stop Talking Sense!


49 posted on 01/28/2018 9:59:33 AM PST by antidisestablishment ( Xenophobia is the only sane response to multiculturalismÂ’s irrational cultural exuberance)
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To: airborne

” They were telling her that if a patient came to her in pain, why would she deny them relief. That if she could help a patient feel better, she was obligated to prescribe medication that would help. “


This is the general message that universities are now teaching; and have been teaching since about 2008. Plus, since ObamaCare, most people can’t afford actual research-based medical treatment, so you just “mask” the symptom instead. The Doctor gets paid and the patient “feels” better.

I honestly don’t think the addiction epidemic was on purpose. I think it was simply money-based (i.e., saving money). But a lot of people should have seen it coming.

Example: My NP family member saw this happening and wouldn’t participate. She was “asked” to leave one practice/group because she was taking too much time with patients and actually working to heal them without the use of pain killers. Her success rate for “non-returning” patients was the best out 84+ medical practitioners, including doctors, but that didn’t matter to the practice/group. She was costing too much money, per patient/time.


50 posted on 01/28/2018 9:59:36 AM PST by Noamie
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To: mplc51

I’ve watched several episodes of a series called Drugs, Inc. It shows the daily life of everyone involved in the drug trade - grower to dealer to user to cops. Anyway, several episodes have made clear that Mexico is exporting its violence to the US. As an example, one American got caught by police and the drugs were siezed. So, the Mexicans just knocked on his girlfriend’s door and told her she was financially responsible, and had to work as a drug mule to pay off the debt...or die. I know nothing will stop all the drugs, and there are tunnels and drones. But it will be more difficult to operate an international drug business, if its harder to get people across the border...to accept drone shipments, threaten mules, collect from dealers, export cash back, etc.


51 posted on 01/28/2018 10:05:05 AM PST by lacrew
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To: tired&retired

No, that’s false. Why would you say something that dumb?


52 posted on 01/28/2018 10:35:06 AM PST by WatchungEagle
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To: JP1201

About 10 years ago, I had a fairly severe knee operation, and 5 years ago severe foot surgery with over 50 stiches and an Xray of that foot looks like an Ace Hardware ad for screws and bolts and other stainless steel stuff.

Both doctors knew that I have a high pain tolerance and responded/healed better with an injection of Toradol, a non steroidal, and an RX for 10 to 15 Toradol tabs at home.

Both doctors gave me an rx for 120 tablets of one of the Oxy products.

I took a couple tabs after each operation, hated the weird feelings and just used the Toradol and basically only about 5 days of Toradol.

When my wife, an RN and I asked the docs a few weeks post op, why I got such large scripts. They had the same response. They don’t know each other and practice surgery about 50 miles apart.

They both said, if they wrote a single RX for 120 tabs post op following a serious operation, that would not cause any concern from the DEA spooks.

They said that if they wrote an rx for 5-7 days of the Oxy stuff and they had to rewrite it a couple of times. That would flag the RX watchers/DEA Spooks.


53 posted on 01/28/2018 10:36:02 AM PST by Grampa Dave (When is it OUR TURN to keep our own money and live our own dreams!!!!?)
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To: DesertRhino

“Who benefits?”

How about the Deep State two ways:

1. Financially
2. A large % of the population becomes dependent on the drug and needs governmental financial help to exist. Then they are controlled fairly easily by the various Deep
States!


54 posted on 01/28/2018 10:41:09 AM PST by Grampa Dave (When is it OUR TURN to keep our own money and live our own dreams!!!!?)
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To: Grampa Dave

That may or may not be true, and they are not telling you the whole story. The most likely real reason is they don’t want to field calls for prescription renewals. It takes a lot of office staff time. They prescribe you the amount they think you will need for recovery, and if you run out too soon, they just cut you off and refuse refills.


55 posted on 01/28/2018 10:44:53 AM PST by kaila
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To: JimRed

“Target practice? Anything coming over is fair game!”

Exactly, put a lefty and a righty with skeet, trap and long range goose shotguns in special towers on top of the ramps to shoot down the drones.

We will provide the guns, if the government provides the shotgun shells.

Hell, we can even bid on getting to shoot, with the highest bidders getting to shoot.


56 posted on 01/28/2018 10:48:00 AM PST by Grampa Dave (When is it OUR TURN to keep our own money and live our own dreams!!!!?)
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To: JP1201
"How we got here."

By way of minds softened and turned to the left by marijuana.


57 posted on 01/28/2018 10:49:11 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: fireman15
BOL! You just describe my wife or I as patients, she is an RN! He said to my wife, “You're a nurse. We do not think that Lt. Miller Grampa or Gramma is happy here. Would you take him/her home, keep an eye on him/her and make sure that he/she doesn't hurt himself?”
58 posted on 01/28/2018 10:55:17 AM PST by Grampa Dave (When is it OUR TURN to keep our own money and live our own dreams!!!!?)
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To: eyeamok
"The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Office of the inspector general in 2008 reported 180,000 deaths by medical error among Medicare patients alone."

Most people have to fix their mistakes, doctors just bury theirs.

59 posted on 01/28/2018 11:16:04 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Grampa Dave
The thing that people unassociated with health care do not understand is that the absolutely worst place to be if you are hoping to recover from illness or injury is a hospital.

A few years ago we responded to an old guy who became light headed and had to sit down while he was outside mowing the lawn on a warm sunny day. Because the call was classified as possible syncope with no prior history... the paramedics who responded with us gave him and his relatives the full, “if you don't come with us you are probably going to die” spiel. The old man still didn't want to go but his kids and wife pleaded with him until he finally gave in.

While visiting the hospital the old man picked up respiratory MERSA. He came back and gave it to his wife. The two of them had lived in our community in the same place for 60 years, and raised a great family, neither had any health issues. She died first. Within 1 month they were both dead! Obamacare working as planned.

60 posted on 01/28/2018 11:32:31 AM PST by fireman15
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