Posted on 02/02/2018 5:44:10 PM PST by generally
Didn’t have to be expanded.
If warrant to tap A leads to recorded conversation wherein B tells A about a crime B has committed, it can be used against B.
But under the FISA rules, B cannot be “known”, unless they are unmasked through 702 requests through the NSA.
FISA gives them great power, but also is supposed to have restrictions.
Did Carter Page discuss a crime with everyone who was unmasked?
3b: Why didn’t Loretta Lynch sign any of the FISA warrants herself?
Rules?
Rules?
Who was following the rules.... and when they didn’t, who was watching them?
Answer: Nobody
#1 Why did the DOJ and FBI want to wiretap Carter Page?
According to the analysis at The Conservative Treehouse here:
the FBI requested FISA approval under Title I, which allowed them to surveil anyone Page came into contact with or was associated with, including everyone in the Trump campaign.
There is also the old LEO game where when information is illegally obtained, they find another way to claim they knew it, including the infamous anonymous phone call tip.
Also realize that Page was not a very well known entity in DC, and Judge may not have know he was minor player on Team Trump, and although Trump was real target, FBI never raised Trump issue with FISA judge.
The key concept is that the FBI used the FISA request on Page to be able to surveil anyone on the Trump campaign, including, it can be assumed, Candidate/Nominee/President Trump.
But unless such extra surveillance revealed crimes committed, the FBI has never revealed who else was surveilled other than Page.
That brings us to the next obvious question for appropriate FBIers to be asked: Who else, other than Carter Page, was surveilled under the FISA Court approval obtained for Carter Page?
Exactly, and since the actual listening to the (recorded) conversations is a rather lower level SA job or even a non-agent ‘civilian’ job, accomplished by people with no probable malintent, they will probably tell all they know... or at least one will.... and that’s all you need!
Hadn’t thought of that possibility. I would have thought that any recordings resulting from a FISA warrant would be considered to be classified material.
Absolutely, but there are many FBI employees who are not traditional SAs.
If you have a military background, think of them as sort of like Warrant Officers in the Army.
For example, they have surveillance specialists who are incredibly good at foot and car tracking POI. Some are old people or have other characteristics that would lead a POI to dismiss them as tailers. They are also usually very mobile, often single, so if suddenly 10 new tailers were needed in NYC for a case, they could easily be flown in from LA or Boston. Most are also pretty good actors, accents, etc, and good high speed drivers.
Then there is the JTTF, 13,000 agents at last count. Lot of Feds, but also a lot of current or retired, highly experienced street cops, especially plainclothes types and experienced detectives. They “Know the turf.”
Thank you. Very interesting info.
You must have misunderstood my post re the word salad you resently send my way. It wasn’t meant as a putdown in any sense. It was my honest and sincere assessment. While I wish you all the best, I can’t continue an exchange that alternates between gratuitously nasty insults and simple irrationality.
And post #113 is in pictures and everything too, so you’d be better able to follow it...
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