Posted on 03/07/2018 2:00:45 PM PST by 2harddrive
Doesn’t it ever jam?
I prefer to shoot slowly but accurately.
I sorta puckered up reading that. I'd be hunting a tall, sturdy tree in that circumstance. Yowsa.
It’s all in how you wind the drum. AK drums rock like that, as long as it’s the Chinese pattern. Much more reliable than Romanian, Russian, etc. I learned on a 1927A1 Thompson, and the short .45 rounds had a tendency to sometimes fall sideways, causing some rather epic jams that took minutes to correct. The longer 7.62x39s are too long to misbehave like that. They take some breaking in, but I haven’t had any type of malfunction in several years now. Not bad for a 75 round AK drum I got for free
Snipers need one round, troops on the ground need machine guns to repel an attack. Refer to the Chinese over running emplacements during the Korean police action. Ask your self why they issue bayonets.
Amen. More and more so every day.
And as far as bump firing goes, just save the money. Place the thumb of your dominant hand through the trigger guard, place the end of your thumb into your Jean pocket or belt loop, and pull forward on the rifle. Bump stocks are actually harder to do than this method. Just don’t try it with a Saiga 12, or JTS M12AK or any similar semi auto 12 gauge. Learned that one the hard way. Just about broke my thumb
When I pull the trigger on 20 or 30 rounds, I want to see 20 or thirty holes in the target, not puffs of dust all around.
But then, I’m tight.
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One thing that I really like about Free Republic is the amazing incisiveness and the vast quantity of thoughtful and informed analysis and information about a multiplicity of subjects. However, I am EXTREMELY disappointed about much of what has been said of the the bumpfire stock controversy. Much of it sounds has though it was promulgated by the ignorant gun grabbing left.
I am a 2 tour Vietnam infantry and armor combat veteran, and a member of the Illinois National guard for 26 years. I served in a NG Military police battalion has a platoon sergeant and an operations sergeant. I was a certified Illinois State Police Firearms and Defensive tactics instructor, and a member of Special Reaction and SWAT teams. I have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds through automatic weapons of all types, belt and magazine fed, tripod and shoulder mounted, ranging from .45 caliber M-3 sub machine guns up to M2A1 40 mm twin anti-aircraft guns mounted on an M-42 self propelled anti-aircraft gun.
I am retired and spend one day a month on the rifle range shooting my AR-15 rifles. When this slide fire device was first introduced, the low cost and novelty intrigued me and I purchased one. It was a bit awkward to use at first, but in one afternoon, after a bit of practice I was able to get 90% of any length burst on a man sized target at 50 yards, which is close to the normal engagement ranges for truly effective full auto fire from shoulder mounted weapons. It is not as useful has a true selective fire assault rifle since it requires two hands to employ, but it DOES have some measure of limited tactical utility for anyone who practices with it. I never really considered this item to be a true tactical instrument, but I did appreciate the ingenuity and thought that went into turning “bump fire’ into almost as accurate a technique has I could use with a true select fire assault rifle.
Experts who have decried the effectiveness of full auto fire from assault rifles and other shoulder fired weapons are largely correct. I was constantly yelling at my squad to use the “auto” location for the selector switch sparingly. Semi-auto fire is usually most desired and superior, and includes the advantages of duration of sustained fire to prevent barrel overheating and enhances ammo expenditure and accuracy. Auto fire from an assault rifle has the following tactical utility, in the final and close in (100 meters or less) stages of an assault, to gain initial fire superiority, to break contact, particularly has a counter ambush technique, when firing along final protective lines when a perimeter is in danger of being overrun, and to support by fire the maneuver tactics of another element. Leaders should be responsible to control the fire of their subordinates to maintain fire discipline, but in those roles that I have outlined, full auto fire is very useful indeed, even if it is simulated auto fire delivered from a bumpstock.
The battle has been joined. The anti-gun hysterics are in full cry. They will never be satisfied until they achieve near total firearm confiscation. The genie is out of the bottle. You cannot stop psychopaths employing bump fire methods unless you can repeal the laws of Newtonian physics. I realize that some sort of regulation will ensue in the wake of this horrific atrocity. But I don’t like it one damn bit.
If they do enact this ban, then any so called “compromise” should include repealing the 1986 Hughes Act which caused the prices of full auto weapons to skyrocket by making it impossible to register newly manufactured NFA firearms. There is NO REASON for a legally transferable M-16 to cost over 50,000 dollars. You can be assured that any such owner will be thoroughly vetted by the background check that would be required to purchase one.
With your background listed I think you know what will come next. Semi auto actions used to load the next round in the chamber, but NOT cocking the firing mechanism requiring engineering a handgun style double action to fire the loaded round. The trigger pull required to fire would be too large to allow bump stock type fire.
Respectfully, The Bill of rights was not about hunting.
“Waste of ammo. I prefer a good bolt action rifle or even my old 30-30 lever action. You should never need more than one round to kill a deer. I’ve hunted for over 40 yrs and have never fired more than one round a year to get my game.”
Large magazines and high rates of fire are good for varmints like coyotes, feral pigs...and two legged snakes. ;-)
Twice, I’ve had the police called on me for shooting a “machine gun”. I was actually bump firing Momma’s Beretta 9mm. BTW, it is fun.
Those videos should make their heads explode, even without expending any ammo!
I didn’t know that the second amendment had to do with rebellious deer. Bump fire is silly, but in a lawyer’s mind it is just a definition that needs expanded to include all forms of self defense.
“Twice, I’ve had the police called on me for shooting a “machine gun”. I was actually bump firing Momma’s Beretta 9mm. BTW, it is fun.”
Was that the mil-spec Beretta hand-gun? Or some sort of 9mm carbine they make? What model?
Beretta 92 handgun,
Imagine a Flubber Stock...
“Beretta 92 handgun,”
I see. Thanks! But, how do you hold it, loosely enough to bumpfire, without dropping it? What is your grip on the gun? And where is your finger, in relation to the trigger?
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