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To Prevent Cyber Snooping, the U.S. Navy Is Relying on WWII-Era Communications
Popular Mechanics via Yahoo ^ | August 16th, 2019 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 08/16/2019 5:09:25 PM PDT by Mariner

The U.S. Navy, anticipating a future when a high-tech enemy could read its electronic communications, is going back to a hack-proof means of sending messages between ships: bean bags. Weighted bags with messages inside are passed among ships at sea by helicopters.

In a future conflict with a tech-savvy opponent, the U.S. military could discover even its most advanced, secure communications penetrated by the enemy. Secure digital messaging, voice communications, video conferencing, and even chats could be intercepted and decrypted for its intelligence value. This could give enemy forces an unimaginable advantage, seemingly predicting the moves and actions of the fleets at sea with uncanny accuracy.

Last week, a MH-60S Sea Hawk helicopter delivered a message from the commander of an amphibious squadron to the captain of the amphibious assault ship USS Boxer. The helicopter didn’t even land to deliver it, dropping it from a hovering position before flying away. The message was contained in a bean bag dropped on the Boxer’s flight deck.

The bean bag system, as Military.com explains it, is nearly eight decades old. The system dates back to April 1942, when a SBD Dauntless dive bomber assigned to the USS Enterprise was flying a scouting mission ahead of the USS Hornet. Hornet, about to launch sixteen B-25 Mitchell bombers on a raid against Japan, was traveling in extreme secrecy to preserve the element of surprise. The Dauntless pilot encountered a Japanese civilian ship and, fearing he had been spotted, dropped a message in a bean bag on the deck of Hornet.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: miltech; trumpdod; usnavy
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To: a fool in paradise

Could burn a F-18 hornet tire at the end of the carrier deck to make smoke signals.


41 posted on 08/16/2019 7:04:31 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Tagline not secure.)
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To: Mariner

Bean bags because of treasonous self absorbed folks like Hillary Clinton, Sid Blumenthal, JOHN Brennan, James Clapper, Peter Sztrok, and most of the FIB.


42 posted on 08/16/2019 7:06:53 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: _Jim
I never thought of the Soviets as "Cooperative targets."

Often careless or incompetent, but never cooperative.

43 posted on 08/16/2019 7:20:10 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Make American Intelligence Great Again. Bring back ASA.)
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To: ASA Vet

Perhaps the word was ‘secure’. I”m glad your father made it home and you, the 130 crew and the F-102 pilot as well.


44 posted on 08/16/2019 7:20:26 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: _Jim

“I can MANUALLY give you a bearing in under 30 secs if I have the freq already dialed in.”

But you don’t on a rotating Frequency schedule. A Change every 4 hours whether it’s used or not.

And Morse Code over HF only emits when the key is depressed, the only for fractions of a second at a time.

Can you get a reliable bearing on that? One that you would bet your life on?


45 posted on 08/16/2019 7:44:01 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

IIRC, read somewhere that backwards countries would be more likely to survive nuclear armageddon, because their technology would still work.

Hand water pumps, e.g.


46 posted on 08/16/2019 7:53:26 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Mariner

“The US Navy still can use Morse Code in emergency situations.”

That is good to hear. Thank you for the information.


47 posted on 08/16/2019 7:59:22 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: _Jim

“It ALWAYS gives a bearing to the *source*.

Skywave UHF doesn’t.

L


48 posted on 08/16/2019 7:59:31 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Jacquerie

Impressive!
I, too, hope they still have such capability.


49 posted on 08/16/2019 8:24:47 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Mariner

Last I heard they are still using signal lights, semaphore, and signal flags as well. Still have to be able to communicate in Emission Controls or if the radio goes out.


50 posted on 08/16/2019 10:36:44 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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To: _Jim
...It ALWAYS gives a bearing to the *source*...

A narrow-beam signal to another asset can be rebroadcast, only giving away the bearing of the secondary asset.

Think optical uplink to a satellite, downlink to a wide area.

51 posted on 08/16/2019 11:31:14 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: redfreedom

What’s the beanbag message say?

“Attack...repeat...Attack”.

They’re kidding, right?


52 posted on 08/17/2019 2:18:54 AM PDT by Does so (To continue in English, press 2...)
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To: Mariner

“VIA MORSE CODE”

Fists are almost like fingerprints.

By the mid 70’s the good US military CW ops were Coast Guard. Globally, probably the Soviets.


53 posted on 08/17/2019 3:59:29 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Do You mean Navajo Code Talkers ?


54 posted on 08/17/2019 4:13:24 AM PDT by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!))
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To: Mariner
Story appeared on the 15th on the War zone:
Navy Ships Look To WWII Era Message-Filled Bean Bags To Communicate Without Radios
Helicopters would rapidly ferry the messages between ships in a reboot of a communications method that dates back to World War II. By Joseph Trevithick August 15, 2019 PS: all the branches of the Soviet military used the same code system in those 'olden days'. Other than the US navy practicing location security, US Army troops would often give their location in the 'clear' (voice) down to which tree in which farm they were sitting under along with direction how to find the farm ... always thought that was so laughable when we heard them
55 posted on 08/17/2019 4:15:04 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: mabarker1

yes


56 posted on 08/17/2019 4:25:38 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Commitee)
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To: Does so; Chode; Squantos; SkyDancer; Lockbox; carriage_hill; MtnClimber; tubebender; Delta 21; ...
What’s the beanbag message say?

SEND MORE CORN, FLOUR TORTILLAS AND HOT SAUCE PLEASE.

57 posted on 08/17/2019 4:28:28 AM PDT by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!))
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To: Lurker

re: “Skywave UHF doesn’t.”

A contradiction in terms; UHF yields a line-of-sight terrestrial comms, there is no “skywave”.

Maybe you mean SW (shortwave) using ionospheric prop?


58 posted on 08/17/2019 5:33:22 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: Mariner

re: “But you don’t on a rotating Frequency schedule. “

I SPECIFIED “IF I HAD THE FREQUENCY ALREADY DIALED IN”.

Please pay attention, I hate repeating myself needlessly.


59 posted on 08/17/2019 5:36:21 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: CurlyDave

re: “Think optical uplink to a satellite,”

We’re talking radio here ...


60 posted on 08/17/2019 5:37:21 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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