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Help Request - Fact Checking Liberal Talking Points

Posted on 06/06/2020 5:21:11 PM PDT by GraceMitchell

My daughter used to be a conservative until she went to college. It has been less than a year, and she's now using liberal talking points in all her political debates with me. Yesterday she sent me an article titled "The Treason of the Ruling Class" by Chris Hedges (I can't link it here due to a FreeRepublic's restriction). I have made it my mission now to try to research and provide my daughter with facts because she doesn't get them from the websites that she's visiting.

I have been reading FreeRepublic for years, but this is my first time posting. I'd appreciate it if you could please point me to resources that can help disprove the following claims:

1. "1,100 citizens are murdered by police every year, almost an unarmed." This claim is in stark contrast with what Tucker Carlson claimed a few days ago in the segment "Is America being torn apart by a total, complete but provable lie?"

2.(About our prison system) Lobbyists are "making sure these bodies remain in cages or are put back into cages soon after they are released."

3.Where do I go to find how much congressmen/women were worth before and after their tenure.

4. Our court system is "designed to railroad the poor into jails and prisons." I was wondering how this is being done. It seems like personal responsibility is not accounted for here.

Thank you in advance for your help.


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1 posted on 06/06/2020 5:21:11 PM PDT by GraceMitchell
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To: GraceMitchell

She may already have drunk so much Kool-Aid that she is unreachable.
I’ve seen it happen.


2 posted on 06/06/2020 5:24:06 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: GraceMitchell

If she is too far gone fuhgetaboutit as she wont care or want to hear what you have to say.
Sorry but she will be a lost cause.

Remind her who pays for that liberal brain washing she has obtained.


3 posted on 06/06/2020 5:25:04 PM PDT by Bell Bouy II
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To: GraceMitchell

Tell her she’s full of it and let it go at that.

Arguing with leftists is pointless.


4 posted on 06/06/2020 5:25:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: GraceMitchell

40 unarmed Americans were killed by cops last year. 9 of them were black.


5 posted on 06/06/2020 5:27:07 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: GraceMitchell

Facts and logic are useless. Just laugh at her.


6 posted on 06/06/2020 5:27:50 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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My Daughter did the exact same thing.

I have pointed out her errors but it doesn’t seem to make any difference. She has become a true believer. What really hurts is my Grand children who are nearly grown have never been exposed to the truth.


7 posted on 06/06/2020 5:28:09 PM PDT by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: GraceMitchell
Of course this isn't a full answer but the first thing that came to my mind was "point out to your daughter that socialism's most recent failure,Venezuela,is where,when things got really bad,citizens were breaking into zoos looking for protein".

And yes,there are English language newspaper articles (don't know about Spanish) confirming that.

8 posted on 06/06/2020 5:28:34 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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To: GraceMitchell

Washington Post police shooting database for 2017, with blurbs on each case:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/


9 posted on 06/06/2020 5:29:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: GraceMitchell

As a criminal defense attorney in an urban area, you can advise your daughter that black males are treated much better in the court system than any other ethnic group. Juries in urban areas typically will not convict black defendants even if they are obviously guilty of crimes. Because black jurors will rarely convict black defendants, prosecutors are forced to plea-bargain cases down to virtually nothing. Virtually all of my black defendants from urban areas have criminal rap sheets that are a mile long before they finally end up serving substantial periods of time. In suburban and rural counties, where white juries routinely convict all defendants who should be convicted, white defendants receive very harsh punishment. A white drug dealer in a suburban county will receive a significant punishment as compared to a black to find it in an urban area, who will get multiple slapped on the wrist.
If you really want to cure your daughter of this politically correct propaganda, my suggestion is that you contact an urban Police Department and arrange for a ride-a-long with the police. Most police departments will allow citizens to ride with a police officer. Trust me, one night in your local urban area will open her eyes to what the police see, and what she has not seen In her young life.


10 posted on 06/06/2020 5:30:26 PM PDT by bort
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1. “1,100 citizens are murdered by police every year, almost an unarmed.” This claim is in stark contrast with what Tucker Carlson claimed a few days ago in the segment “Is America being torn apart by a total, complete but provable lie?”

Explain to her that most people killed by the cops are thugs. For instance George Floyd and what’s his name Brown. Thugs. If she’s old enough to remember St. Skittles, remind her that he also was a thug.

2.(About our prison system) Lobbyists are “making sure these bodies remain in cages or are put back into cages soon after they are released.”

Sadly, a great many people, mostly men, are not fit to be on the streets with decent people. That’s just the way it is — they are predators. Explain to her that you do not want her to ever meet one of them and fall prey.

3.Where do I go to find how much congressmen/women were worth before and after their tenure.

Dunno, but if she is claiming that all politicians are crooks she’ll get no argument from me.

4. Our court system is “designed to railroad the poor into jails and prisons.” I was wondering how this is being done. It seems like personal responsibility is not accounted for here.

People end up in prison because they are criminals. Poor or not, who cares so long as they are off the street.

ps How old are you?


11 posted on 06/06/2020 5:30:56 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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The Secret History of The DemonicRAT Party
12 posted on 06/06/2020 5:33:20 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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Indulging the questions will alienate her from reality.. and you.. even more. Zero chance for gain.

Guarantee: You disagree. Or agree.. but.


13 posted on 06/06/2020 5:33:35 PM PDT by coaster123 (Virus = First Plane Strikes Tower)
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This might be helpful with Number 4

https://www.amren.com/news/2014/12/quite-possibly-the-most-racist-article-you-will-ever-read/


14 posted on 06/06/2020 5:34:02 PM PDT by cyclotic (The most dangerous people are the ones that feel the most helpless)
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Venezuelans Eating Zoo Animals
15 posted on 06/06/2020 5:34:18 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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Surprise she lasted that long. Alarmed that our Christian school has a class on social justice. Had big argument with the wife about it. Told my 7 year old son I’m sick of hearing about George Floyd and told it because no one cares about dead police. Of course my daughters soul is most important. Wife seems to think one can be liberal and a Christian. I think she doesn’t realize that many of these causes put the cause first and God second. Most of my Christian friends think corn holing is no greater sin than lying. I’m on the other extreme because I bloody well hate lgbt community


16 posted on 06/06/2020 5:34:48 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Zhang Fei

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17 posted on 06/06/2020 5:36:05 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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Didn’t 5 black men rape a white women in New York got off Scott free and got a netflix show made about them?


18 posted on 06/06/2020 5:37:35 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: GraceMitchell

Like the X Files, the truth is out there. The problem is digging through the tons of trash to find the grams of gold.
Have not yet found before and after for the Congress critters, but opensecrets.org Has some info that goes back a decade on net worth. It is not complete, is buried, and based on the politicians disclosure statements.


19 posted on 06/06/2020 5:38:43 PM PDT by ps425dc
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To: GraceMitchell

This might help a bit.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/photos-fathers-of-chinese-leaders-at-revolutionary-struggle-sessions/254870/

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2012/feb/24/cultural-revolution-portraits-xu-weixin

If she thinks she likes what she is seeing in the news the past week or two tell her that is what her future will actually be.

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20 posted on 06/06/2020 5:39:59 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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