Posted on 04/12/2022 5:29:23 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
The post was in response to someone (correctly) saying that some power equipment was not meant to handle higher volumes of ethanol in the petrol. On the radio Lars Larsson was talking about rubber hoses, gaskets etc. sometimes cannot handle it.
Incomplete combustion of ethanol can result in acetic acid or acetaldehyde which may not be compatible with older engines.
In E15 fuel you have 15% ethanol. When you add water you remove that 15% which gets pulled into the aqueous phase.
You can do this experiment for yourself, right now, if you have salt and rubbing alcohol. It’s called salting out water from isopropyl alcohol. Take rubbing alcohol, add several tablespoons of salt, then shake and let stand. There will be saltwater at the bottom and 100% isopropyl alcohol at the top. You have removed 30% of the original solution and that now is salt water. (NaCl is not soluble in isopropyl alcohol).
Removing water from petrol is the same. Ethanol dissolves in water, petrol does not. You pull the ethanol out of petrol with water. Unlike the isopropyl alcohol example the aqueous portion is heavier, so the ethanol and water are on the bottom layer.
Either reaction is fun to watch, just like making biodiesel. The reaction is fast and clearly visible.
Ok, I am a chemistry nerd.
Really? So the company I worked for didn’t use it in their refinery???
The article starts with a lie in the first sentence. Soaring gas prices had begun and achieved most of their current levels BEFORE the Ukraine invasion. But now news media all pretend that gas was $1.50 a gallon until Putin came along.
That’s the idea. Once your car breaks down they’ll only let you buy an electric one.
So, now corn prices AND gas prices will skyrocket. And you will get less energy out of it than it takes to produce it. AND at a time when there is a global shortage of fertalizer.
Great Thinking Joe.
(Not that this is really his idea)
(I know; the kind of corn usually meant for ethanol is not particularly corn meant to be eaten by people)
The fuel isn’t used during summer due to pollution concerns, yet it’s going to be allowed this year in order to decrease gas prices... Those high prices are caused by the killing of drilling and a major pipeline due to environmental concerns...
Makes total sense.
E10 costs more per gallon to refine than gasoline.
E10 burns dirtier than gasoline.
E10 destroys the seals, etc., in small gas engines (yard tools).
NOW, this dumbass administration wants to increase the ethanol by 50%?????
So we are going to get lower gas prices by turning our food production into ethanol?
No, nothing happened except Biden pretended to do something
He actually did nothing
out of some 150,000 stations, this edict effects 2,300 ...
“Really?”
Really.
” Lars Larsson was talking about rubber hoses, gaskets etc. sometimes cannot handle it.”
Again, no difference on cars E10 versus E15.
OK. I got thread mixedup with one about converting oil to ethanol.
Here in Florida, as in much of the South, ethanol-free gas in Premium is sold at the pump. Cost a bunch more, but well worth it for many engines.
From your link:
The RFA, of course, highlighted the NREL’s finding that there were no “meaningful differences” in the performance of engines running on a 10-percent ethanol blend (i.e. E10, which is standard-issue in the US) and a 15-percent blend (i.e. E15). Using 43 studies as a base, the NREL surmised that, when it came to engine performance and durability in light-duty vehicles that were made after the 2000 model year, E10 and E15 are basically the same thing.
Ruins engines. Thanks Joe, I saved a few pennies per gallon but have to rebuild my engine? This isn’t stupidity.
This is planned oppression.
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