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I'm Not Willing to Live with Lefties
The Neo-Ciceronian Times ^ | September 23, 2022 | Theophilus Chilton

Posted on 09/23/2022 9:51:18 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy

One of the topics I write about fairly consistently is ethnicity (in the true sense of the term), ethnogenesis, and the impact these have on Western societies. Especially in the American case, ethnogenesis has been an ongoing process that has helped to differentiate Americans from their European forebearers. Indeed, as I’ve pointed out elsewhere, ethnogenesis has actually created two White ethnies occupying the territory of the United States, ethnies which are mutually and increasingly antagonistic. In this post, I’d like to go beyond merely reiterating the existence of that ethnogenesis and discuss some of the consequences of it.

One of the truisms of life that you can take to the bank is that diversity plus proximity equals trouble. This is true whether you personally like it or not. This applies to racial diversity, this applies to linguistic diversity, this applies (as it does here) to ethnic diversity. This division is, in fact, exactly what God intended when He split mankind up at Babel. Even if you don’t accept the Bible as authoritative, there are still several thousand years of human history that attests to the truth that things work best when there’s a place for everyone and everyone stays in their place.

So recently on Twitter, a podcaster named Dan Carlin attempted to calm the waters with this perhaps well-meaning but ultimately fruitless tweet below,

Look, I understand the sentiment. If the population of the United States were united in heart and mind - had high social cohesion - this would be a thousand times better than what we’re seeing now. Obviously. But the fact is that this is not only not the case but is not going to be the case for the foreseeable future. Supposing some national unity that transcends the ethnic divide in America is a pipe dream.

You might have noticed that I keep referring to this divide as an ethnic one. This goes back to the original sense of the term ethnos in Greek which describes a group of people bound together by a common culture, language, mores, taboos, and all the rest. THAT is the division that we currently see in the White majority in America - two increasingly different ethnies who may have a common descent from the original founding stock of this nation (though even in this, we can see origins from different groups among the original settlers that still largely play out today). Hence, Red America and Blue America (for this is who I’m talking about) are two different ethnic groups according to this original sense, and it is a sociocultural division between these two tribes that is really driving the disunity in America today.

“But but but the differences we see are political!” you might be tempted to argue, “If we could just convince the other side to vote the right way, unity would be restored!” Awwww, your naivete is cute in a way. But no, politics isn’t the cause of this divide, it’s merely a symptom of a much deeper, more abiding cultural divide that exists and has existed in a discernible fashion since the first half of the 19th century. And the thing about a culture is that it is DEEPLY ingrained into the group of people sharing it - things like ethnic foods, clothing, and so forth are just the surface - and are usually the only parts of a culture than an outsider can really hope to grasp. Here in America, the primary ethnic divide is between the Red and Blue tribes, the Right and the Left - and each of these don’t merely vote differently from each other, but do so because of endogenously shared social, cultural, and moral assumptions that are almost always not accessible to people across the divide. Those things are why they vote differently. All the other ethnic groups - the blacks, the Latinos, the other immigrants - are all merely picking the side they think will give them the most patronage but are actually irrelevant to the real ethnic rivalry.

What folks need to understand is that there simply is no possibility of a rapprochement with the Left. Further, the fault for this lies with the Left. Remember - the broader Right in America is basically made up of people who, all other things being equal, simply want to be left alone to live their lives, but don’t want people grooming their kids or disarming them in the face of criminals inside and outside of government.

The Left, however, really, really, REALLY badly wants power over everyone else, to run their lives, to make them fulfill the Puritanesque utopian fantasies that drive progressivism’s permanent leftward revolution. Left-wingers really are a fundamentally different group of people than we are, and their culture is one that is driven by the imperialistic desire to absorb, assimilate, or if necessary, eliminate dissenters. To think there can be some kind of “national unity” with them is wishful thinking at its most dangerous. If he were still alive, you could ask Cayler Ellingson, an 18-year-old kid who was murdered by a left-wing domestic terrorist in North Dakota because of politics.

There’s been a lot of talk about “national divorce” in recent months. There’s a reason for this. More and more people of all persuasions are starting to understand that the differences between Red and Blue in America are irreconcilable and that, as unthinkable as it might have been even ten years ago, a parting of ways might be best for all involved. Of course, along with the idea of national divorce there has been a lot of talk about a coming civil war, one that would likely be bloodier and messier than the first one we had. There is absolutely no reason why this would need to happen. The two concepts do not have to be coupled together the way they often are.

Yet, a civil war would be the most likely outcome of, say, one or several states attempting to depart from the union - and the reason is (again) entirely due to the Left. After all, progressivism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, might be doing something they disagree with. So if some Red states decided to strike out on their own, it is almost assured that Blue America would attempt to use force to keep them in. After all, it’s not enough for the Blue tribe to ban guns or kill babies or mutilate children via transgenderism in their own states - you have to be forced to allow these things in your states too. And if you won’t, well, that’s what the military and the alphabet agencies are for. I’ve said it before and I will say it again - there will be some kind of decentralisation that takes place as our collapse phase reaches its end, and if the result of that decentralisation is some kind of armed civil strife on the North American continent, it will have been initiated by the progressive Left Blue tribe.

But the thing is, if there ever were to be some kind of a return to the sort of constitutionally circumscribed, whiggish type of self-governing schema such as we had in the early republic, it’s going to have to be done by Red tribe - and only by Red tribe. Blue tribers simply are not capable of genuine self-government because self-government requires personal restraint and is generally derived from “conservative” Christianity. Yet, everything about Blue tribe’s culture and politics - from the babykilling to the coddling of criminals to the fantasies about “changing genders” and all the rest - basically exist due to the desire to throw off all restraints, including that of self-control. These people simply are not capable of living under a genuine self-governing regime that depends on you not doxxing, harassing, or turning in your neighbours for not agreeing with the Regime.

And despite the national mythology, America is not a propositional state defined by a set of verbal premises that anybody and everybody can adopt without distorting or destroying them. Basically, the ethnos which still carries with it some semblance of the cultural and moral assumptions that existed in the Republic’s early days may be able to replicate it more or less. Neither Blue tribe nor their foreign janissaries will be able to do so.

Ultimately, I don’t care if the lefties look like me, they are not my people. As far as I am concerned, Blue tribers are foreigners, cultural aliens who should exist in a separate polity from me and mine. They can do their thing and we can do ours. I fully realise that this isn’t something they are likely to voluntarily allow. Even if it does take place peacefully there will be a lot of dislocation involved. However, serious thinkers should consider that in the long term it may be preferable to the alternatives.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: communists; culture; cwii; hh2; theleft
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1 posted on 09/23/2022 9:51:18 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: Yashcheritsiy

We probably need to reduce governmental power, most especially federal financial power.

We need to avoid physical 1947 type India/Pakistan breakups.


2 posted on 09/23/2022 9:59:53 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Me neither. I don’t Have any use for pagan ding dongs without any rational thinking skills or tolerance for anybody but themselves. They should be confined to blue states and exiled permanently from a new country


3 posted on 09/23/2022 10:00:16 AM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it 🤪)
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To: NWFree

Lefties are truly the scum of the earth, they project and are everything they accuse their opponents of being and they do whatever they accuse their opponents of doing.


4 posted on 09/23/2022 10:04:42 AM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as. )
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Article I, Section 8

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and exercises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States....”

The Congress was not intended to be a payor of personal expenses.

The Founding Fathers knew what happened when the citizens of Rome depended on the dole.


5 posted on 09/23/2022 10:08:47 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Yashcheritsiy

At least most of them have been vaxxed and their kids desexed. The current depopulation agenda fits right into our hands. Just kidding of course. I don’t have their evil desire to see our demise. This article is so right on.


6 posted on 09/23/2022 10:11:12 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Who is John Galt?

Of course, Ayn Rand wrote of this divorce decades ago when the producers finally had enough, declared a strike, and extricated ourselves out of the mainstream.

That sounds more appealing than ever.


7 posted on 09/23/2022 10:11:34 AM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Even if it does take place peacefully there will be a lot of dislocation involved. However, serious thinkers should consider that in the long term it may be preferable to the alternatives.

I would truly like to see an effort by serious thinkers toward designing The Second Republic of the United States. A Constitution with clear language and strong safeguards. You will always be able to have a gun. It will be almost impossible for others to control you. Your freedom and your independence will be truly guaranteed. Your income cannot be taxed. Your property cannot be taxed. The government cannot educate people. The government cannot help poor people. The government cannot go into debt. Politicians cannot be allowed to break the law.

The Founders gave us something very good. But it wasn't good enough. We need to do better next time.

8 posted on 09/23/2022 10:11:39 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are already in a revolutionary period, and the Rule of Law means nothing. )
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To: Yashcheritsiy
As far as I am concerned, Blue tribers are foreigners, cultural aliens who should exist in a separate polity from me and mine. They can do their thing and we can do ours. I fully realise that this isn’t something they are likely to voluntarily allow. Even if it does take place peacefully there will be a lot of dislocation involved. However, serious thinkers should consider that in the long term it may be preferable to the alternatives.

I've said before that, during the next 100 years, Democrats/RINOs in red states may consider moving to blue states, while Republicans, libertarians, and conservatives in blue states may consider moving to red states. It's already starting to happen. After a century of such migration, it would be time to maybe reassess to determine whether it's necessary to then split into however many separate countries.

At present, most of us live on the same street with some neighbors who have polar-opposite views on almost everything. They may even be your cheerful next-door neighbors who you get along with (because maybe you've never discussed politics with each other). Given that far-left and right-wing folks are often next-door neighbors throughout the nation, a second civil war would absolutely destroy our country. So long-term migration may be the better answer.

Again, after 100 years of migration, the situation could be reassessed. Maybe all the blue states are eventually comprised of almost all far-lefties (with some passive righties) and red states being practically all Republicans and conservatives (with some passive lefties) which may solve the problem, without any need to split up the nation into separate countries. Although, a major problem might still exist at the federal government level and it could be addressed then. Just a thought. I'm open-minded (unlike the close-minded Democrats/RINOs), so always looking for better answers.

9 posted on 09/23/2022 10:11:42 AM PDT by gw-ington (My Preferred Pronouns: senile, sleepy, puppet, laughing, hyena, stolen, election.)
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To: Cowgirl

of course. I don’t have their evil desire to see our demise.

But, because of their constant intransigence, and never-ending need to push and control, i do have an evil desire to see THEIR demise.

“You need to compromise!” Not so, they need to die or go away.


10 posted on 09/23/2022 10:17:26 AM PDT by drSteve78 (Je suis Deplorable STILL)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Either the Democratic Party and its agenda are ultimately destroyed or the American nation will be destroyed.


11 posted on 09/23/2022 10:23:47 AM PDT by allendale
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To: gw-ington

There have been rumors that Texas was considering ‘Texit’.

With the move toward global totalitarianism, we can argue that we are preserving the constitution and a remnant of our nation. In essence we could claim that the capital has relocated itself.

It would be a critical rhetorical distinction from the civil war; which is how the left will paint it.


12 posted on 09/23/2022 10:25:31 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Article states....” diversity plus proximity equals trouble..... This is true whether you personally like it or not. This applies to racial diversity, this applies to linguistic diversity, this applies to ethnic diversity. .....This division is, in fact, exactly what God intended when He split mankind up at Babel. Even if you don’t accept the Bible as authoritative, there are still several thousand years of human history that attests to the truth that things work best when there’s a place for everyone and everyone stays in their place.”........

We can see this also in todays world where refugees illegals etc. set up their camps....always with their own kind. Same in communities, they join with their own. But of course this being done in another country where language etc. differ you find it eventually leads to thug conflicts. Sweedens a good example and France as well.


13 posted on 09/23/2022 10:29:04 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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Article states....” diversity plus proximity equals trouble..... This is true whether you personally like it or not. This applies to racial diversity, this applies to linguistic diversity, this applies to ethnic diversity. .....This division is, in fact, exactly what God intended when He split mankind up at Babel. Even if you don’t accept the Bible as authoritative, there are still several thousand years of human history that attests to the truth that things work best when there’s a place for everyone and everyone stays in their place.”........

We can see this also in todays world where refugees illegals etc. set up their camps....always with their own kind. Same in communities, they join with their own. But of course this being done in another country where language etc. differ you find it eventually leads to thug conflicts. Sweedens a good example and France as well.


14 posted on 09/23/2022 10:29:04 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: NWFree

Culture is what I’ve been screaming we have to settle. A start would be to make large states smaller. The smaller the grouping the better people get along. State laws seem to work pretty good until that state gets too big for it’s britches. Cites spring up and become to large to manage by any means. Cultures will mold together in smaller groups, and generally do it with laws and an occasional feud. At this point in time we have enough land to divide large cities. (If we can handle 3-4 million South American/Mexicans we can split cities. (There tell me why my idea won’t work. It just an idea).


15 posted on 09/23/2022 10:30:36 AM PDT by WVNan (GO)
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To: drSteve78
“You need to compromise!”

Compromising with bad policy is like adding a little sewage to your drinking water.

16 posted on 09/23/2022 10:34:18 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Militia to the border! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Author states.....”Left-wingers really are a fundamentally different group of people than we are, and their culture is one that is driven by the imperialistic desire to absorb, assimilate, or if necessary, eliminate dissenters.”......

Indeed....I’ve stopped engaging with them for they’ve gone well beyond reasonable discussion. You’re now their ‘enemy’ full tilt!


17 posted on 09/23/2022 10:34:19 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: gw-ington

Between the smears, the vote fraud, mass immigration selective justice, and cultural rot, the country’s going to fall apart. There’s nothing holding it together.


18 posted on 09/23/2022 10:35:37 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Read and heed my tagline.


19 posted on 09/23/2022 10:36:05 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

All large institutions eventually get dominated by lefty sociopaths.

No pieces of paper are going to fix that.

The large institutions must be dismantled—all of them, public and private.


20 posted on 09/23/2022 10:37:25 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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