Posted on 09/27/2023 3:30:33 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
Of course McCain was always a RINO and plenty of people here hated him. Thus showing how not deep red AZ is.
Do you allow our Vietnam veterans to say they won, or do you think Trump was right to imply they were losers?
We left Vietnam with a peace treaty that North Vietnam subsequently violated. That was cheating, wasn’t it? So, Trump was wrong to call them losers.
Trump was right to imply they were losers?“
Ahh, Now we see you.
Maybe so, time will tell if that is the case or not. The GOPe owns Az. & Cindy McCain owns the state's GOPe apparatus as the party's major funding source. She's not really a very nice woman at all. John Kyl was selected by Ducey to replace John McCain, who then stepped down, though I can't remember why, and then Ducey picked Martha McSally to replace Jon Kyle. When Martha McSally ran for the seat she won the Republican candidacy but lost to Kyrsten Sinema. Kyrsten Sinema just adored John McCain, and lo & behold she she wins as the Democrat, but who is now an Independent. See how the Uni-party stays in power yet?
And, according to you, Trump losing Georgia had nothing to do with our problems in down ticket races in 2020; and, according to you, it’s best we not even talk about the celebrity candidate we had in 2022.
No, the whole point is that the Republican Party doesn't really exist anymore, & hasn't for quite sometime. It is just a perfunctory opposition party that is owned & controlled by the Democrat Party. Existing only to provide an illusion that, "We The People" are selecting our leaders. So perhaps I am here to educate you, because nothing you have said so far is the reality. You are just spouting the illusion presented to all that elections are still held in earnest. Name a win they actually provided, & don't say Ronald Reagan, because they hated Reagan as bad as they did Trump, nut it was a different time. Had Reagan been like Trump, we might never have needed Trump. Loved Reagan, but he didn't see that the Republicans were not a real opposition party. Like many of us he thought they were just the timid party which he vocalized by saying he believed that the Republican party was a banner of bold colors, and not one of pastel colors, though like the rest of us he really believed they were pastel colors that need to be of bold colors.
It's also about the jig is up, & so there is no reason not to keep stealing elections. But apparently, you are not too swift on the uptake.
Like Cindy McCain owns the Az. GOPe party apparatus, Nelson Rockefeller owned the national GOPe apparatus. That's why they controlled who advanced in the party. It's been a control game for several decades now, and there were real differences between the two parties. One for the elite classes, & one for the lesser classes. Now there is none for any of the classes below the elite class.
As for your last 2 paragraphs, they just prove you are a never-Trump idiot, and that you are deserving of what is barreling down the pike like bulldozer in excess of 200+ mph speed incapable of stopping on its own.
Trump was so ineffectual that he produced a nation that had achieved energy independence & was attempting to return this nation being owned & accountable to the people of this nation. He received at least 74,223,975 million votes the most votes by any president running for reelection, only to be eclipsed by Joseph Robinette Biden, who had been forced to drop in 2 previous presidential bids managed to captured 81,283,501 campaigning mainly from his basement.
Trump, was a great President & I hope we can get him back in 2024.
Of course, I guess we can count you out in that effort to do so. Because you like losing, and you can't see the winners who fight for you & this nation, because you are clueless as to what is going on, even though Trump has caused the criminals who have captured control of this nation to expose themselves, which most that I know can now clearly see..
Some just can't connect the dots. Enjoy your slavery if we fail. We won't expect thanks from you if we succeed.
But if you listen, they keep saying that most of you are nothing but worthless consumers wasting precious limited resources, who soon will serve no purpose, because robots will replace much of the human population perform these days. If you are young & hardy, they might keep you around, but I wouldn't count on it.
They stole AZ. WI is close and requires Rs to turn out, but is essentially red. GA is red, but has a LOT of prejudices.
Walker was not an “elite eight” educated black. They have tremendous disdain for blacks who don’t come from the “upper class” black schools. So he never got any advantage by being black. Meanwhile, the snooty surburbans didn’t want him because he “didn’t talk good.”
I really think Trump is a loser and that people who make excuses for him losing are also losers.
I bet you enjoyed joining Trump and his crowd saying “lock her up” at his 2016 rallies. I thought it was good fun. I never took it seriously.
I bet you enjoyed his joke, Mexico was going to pay for the wall. I thought that too was good fun. I never took that seriously either.
Just the opposite. I thought these showed how Trump was a good showman. How he could appeal to people who normally don’t vote, add to our numbers, and actually win.
Winning means a lot to me. Actual winning. Trump said he prefers a winner. So do I.
As for the election being rigged, the election is always rigged. As it was put in Hunger Games, the odds are never in our favor.
We have to fight outnumbered and win.
Come 2020, Trump was asleep at the wheel. He did nothing while the Democrats kept Kanye West and the Green Party candidate off the ballot. He did nothing when state after state, by executive action and/or judicial action changed the voting rules.
Then, when he was hopelessly down in polls, he tried to come from behind, 2016-style. But, in 2016, mostly coming from behind involved getting Republicans who defected to Gary Johnson to come back home. As Johnson slipped in the polls, Trump rose. Then, on election day in 2016, the Shy Trumpers pulled him across the finish line. It was one of the most dramatic elections in U.S. history.
But, there was no Gary Johnson in 2020. The polls hardly moved during the campaign. Come election day, and Trump was 7 points down in the polls. With the Shy Trumpers, he lost by 3 points narrowing the gap, and he lost by less than 1 point in the critical states of AZ, GA and WI.
He would have won those states and the election if Kanye West and the Green Party candidate were on the ballot in those states. But nobody in the Trump movement can admit to the actual reason Trump lost. They say Trump lost because the Democrats cheat when, the truth is, they always cheat.
Either that or you are just plain evil, in which case a fate much worse you awaits thee.
I suppose you think I’m a loser because I served in the military when winners like Donald 4F Trump figured out how to avoid military service, and his neither of his two adult sons volunteered to serve.
I have no idea about what’s to come in this life. The future of this country doesn’t look very good. But, regardless of what happens here, I have a crown of glory waiting for me.
God is capable of forgiving Trump for his fornicating, lying, cheating and cursing, but Trump’s going to have to reconsider his statement that he never did anything wrong in his life.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html
Same is true for you. You might think you’re the baddest SOB in the valley. But, you too should get right by God.
I love our military, and I loathe the way politicians have used the military as their personal abusive whipping boy especially the Democrats. They are in the process of dismantling her.
The only thing that video you supplied showed an opinion that Donald John Trump vocalized that most of John McCain's support came from him being shot down & held captive by the VietCong for most of the war. He went to the Naval Academy at the expense of the American taxpayer where he graduated near the bottom of his class because he was basically a playboy living off of the good graces his grandfather & father provided to him. He was known to be a hotdogger in the cockpit but lacked the skills of a true ace. I knew many people in the military, none of which who actually had good things to say about him. But all respected him for his service. Donald Trump speaks his mind. You may not like his opinion, but he has a right to his opinion
My complaints against McCain were his actions as a Congressman & Senator. I thought he was a pretty poor role model on so many levels, but beyond that I think he made many incorrect decisions in his positions in Congress.
Since I didn't hold McCain in high esteem anyway, I ignored what Trump said about him. For his opinion about John McCain was of zero value to me. Thus it was a non-factor.
I believe John McCain showed himself to be a rather petty vindictive man himself. For he based an opinion of DJT that had serious implications for the U.S. based upon nothing but his haltered for DJT. Was John McCain every asked if he ever asked the Lord for forgiveness?
I was still pretty naive, even when Trump ran, about the Republican Party. I had been told enough times though that they really despised the base. I actually laughed when Donald John Trump announced, because I thought he was a joke & insincere about his running. That he was hyping himself with some gimmick purpose to further himself in the public arena. But the more I listened to him the more I was impressed because he was the first to stand up and say what he thought. I also began to see that DJT was sincere in his love for this nation. That honesty & sincerity is what all of us patriots were looking for. It was like a breathe of fresh air in what is the most nastiest of environments, the political environment.
I wasn't looking for a saint, I was looking for a leader. An honest leader at that who wasn't afraid to speak his mind. Because it was becoming quite evident that the Republican Party lacked a leader and I saw the warning lights flashing that this nation was heading for failure at breakneck speed.
Far from perfect was Trump, but he was the best being offered.
I have never regretted standing with him, because I see Trump as being the work of the Lord.
Anyway, I have rambled on rather aimlessly, so let me wrap it up by stating I make no judgements about anyone, even those I think I know. I am like DJT in that I will not hold back my opinion of someone either. I will be brutally honest with my thoughts about someone I communicate with. Perhaps its the impersonal indirect form of interaction available via the internet.
I hope everyone finds their way to the Lord, for he is the only true leader, and thus is the only true way.
I do not think highly of myself, for I am nothing but a humble servant of the Lord who really is undeserving in so many ways for his forgiveness, but I pray that he will find forgiveness for my sins. If he does perhaps I will meet you on the flip side of life. If not, thank you for the stimulating conversation, and may peace be with you. 🙂 👍
You are wrong about the Bushes, and DJT as well. 🙂 (Couldn't resist)
I will never forget this speech by one of the greatest Presidents this nation had in history
I hope you will enjoy seeing it again, or perhaps for the first time. I see no reason why the Lord should bless America once again, and hope he blesses Donald John Trump again, and that Donald John Trump will fall on his knees to ask the Lord for forgiveness & thank him for all the blessing the Lord bestowed upon him, because I love the sinner & will so even more sans his sins.
Trump was indeed the better thing offered between he and Hillary in 2016 and between he and Biden in 2020. It was a binary choice. 2016 and 2020 were the first two times in polling history that the American people choose between two candidates each of whom was underwater on the favorable-unfavorable question. It looks like 2024 will be the third time.
I have no grandfather in the military as they were immigrants beyond military age by the time of WWII. I do have a father in the military. I myself was in the military. And my son was in the military.
Everybody at the Naval Academy is there at taxpayer expense. Ditto the other service academies. Ditto everybody on active duty. Ditto those in our police and fire departments. And, I could go on. Why does this bother you? You didn’t serve in the military and you also have problems with paying those who serve. Something’s wrong with your thinking.
And for naval aviators, they tend to be rascals. Here, I will quote from a study,
“Findings showed that the prototypical naval aviation candidate appeared to have high goals and engaged in constructive activity to achieve those goals. Under ordinary circumstances, typical candidates were likely to appear more calm and uninhibited than the average individual and more willing to tolerate personal risk.”
The last is key: willing to tolerate personal risk.
Texas Congressman Sam Johnson, a former Air Force pilot, was in the Hanoi Hilton along with Senator McCain. I met Congressman Johnson right after the Republican Revolution of 1994, along with other newly-elected Congressmen that I and my group supported. he reached out to shake my hand with his hand that was deformed by the communists. It was like he was proud of that deformed hand.
Of course, Congressman Johnson defended Senator McCain when Donald Trump questioned McCain’s heroism. Of course, Congressman Johnson defended McCain.
Trump made his point about McCain, revealing something about himself. Upon McCain’s death, Trump kind of apologized by sending Air Force Two to Arizona to transport McCain’s remains to Washington, D.C. Still, Trump stayed far away, and sent Vice President Pence and General Kelly to represent the country instead. It was awkward. Trump has a way of alienating people. In a democracy, you alienate too many people, and you lose elections.
Your memory seems to lack critical information. Let's begin with the primaries where the Republican field was wide & varied with 17 different candidates that included:
Jeb Bush - Former Gov. Of Florida
Scott Walker - Former Gov. Of Wisc.
John Kasich - Former Gov. of Ohio
Mike Huckabee - Former Gov Arkansas
Jim Gilmore - Former Gov of Virginia
George Pataki - Former Gov of New York
Bobby Jindal - Former Gov. of Louisiana
Rick Perry - Former Gov of Texas
Chris Christi - Former Gov. of New Jersey
Ted Cruz - Sitting Senator Texas
Rand Paul - Sitting Senator Texas
Marco Rubio - Sitting Senator Florida
Lindsey Graham - Sitting Senator from South Carolina
Rick Santorum - Former Senator from Pennsylvania
Carley Florina - Former CEO of HP
Ben Carson - Renowned neurosurgeon
Donald John Trump - Real Estate Developer
That's 9 former Governors, 4 sitting Senators, 1 former Senator, & 3 successful people with no prior political experience at all, making 17 choices from which to choose. The winner was a successful Real Estate Developer with no prior political experience.
Now let's move on to the General Election.
For The Democrat Party your choice was:
Hillary Clinton Pred. & Tim Kaine Vice Pres.
For The Republican Party your choice was:
Donald Trump Pres. & Mike Pence Vice Pres.
For the Libertarian Party your choice was:
Gary Johnson Pres. & Bill Weld. Vice Pres.
For the Green Party your choice was:
Jill Stein Pres. & Ajamu Baraka Vice Pres.
For the Constitution Party your choice was:
Darrell Castle for Pres. & Scott Bradley Vice Pres.
For the Independent Ticket your choice was:
Evan McMullin for Pres. & Mindy Finn for Vice Pres.
Thus in neither the primary of the general election was your choice a binary one, but in reality every presidential race is a binary choice. Because third parties historically only take from one of the two dominate political parties. With a successfully stacked deck, the only winner is the Uni-party.
Which is the party that not only supports evil, it promotes evil. Since the Uni-party is the conglomeration of the two dominate parties.
John McCain was a member of the Uni-party. I condemned that man, not the John McCain who served his nation in war. I respected his service to this nation, but he was still never a hero in my eyes either.
I was not a peacenik who attended anti-war rallies. I was a supporter of the Vietnam War. My attitude as modified over the years as I gained a better understanding & more knowledge of what war really means, which has left me with the reasoning that war should be avoided at all costs, and should absolutely be the sole remaining option available.
I wasn’t for Trump during the nomination process. I was when the election became a dichotomous choice. Gary Johnson was, obviously, the best of the candidates in the fall, but he didn’t have a chance of winning.
The election dynamic of 2016 was that Gary Johnson started out with something like 10 percent of the vote. But, this was less than the 15 percent required for the debates. Following this peak, Johnson steadily fell, and Trump steadily narrowed the gap. By the evening of the election, Johnson was at 5 percent in the polls, and Trump was only 3 points behind Hillary in the polls.
When the votes were tallied, Johnson fell yet again, no doubt due to last minute changes; and, Trump lost the nationwide popular vote by only 2 points. Crucially, Trump won the key battleground state of MI, PA and WI (also AZ and GA thinking of the key states of 2020), and was elected President.
It was one of the most exciting elections in U.S. history. Sorry you missed it.
I’ll comment, here, on what you say about war: regarding who is and who isn’t a hero, Donald 4F Trump is simply not qualified to say. That you express a opinion, you should share your qualifications, given that you did not serve in the military. I respect that every man has a right to an opinion, just as much as I respect than every man has a right to an asshole.
As for Vietnam, we won the Cold War, but we didn’t win every part of it. I am inclined to agree with you that getting sucked in a shooting war involves some kind of mistake at some level of decision-making. But, let’s be real, some mistakes will be made. As to whether it’s better that these mistake be made in Godforsaken places far from our shores, or in places of vital interest, I would say the former places.
I will now turn to the difference between us and Russia. Russia has never lost a war from being invaded. Obviously, Hitler and Napoleon failed, but also King Charles of Sweden before them. Russia’s enormous size is its defense.
But, Russia has lost a serious of border wars that have been followed by internal collapse or partial collapse. The Russo-Japanese War of 1904, Russia’s defeat at its borders with Germany and Austria during WWI, and Russia’s defeat in Afghanistan while it occupied that country.
We, like Russia, have strategic depth. In our case, the great oceans of the world. It is an interesting question as to whether we might collapse following defeat in a border war. It depends on whether we remain or maybe I should say return to a free enterprise system. With a vibrant free enterprise system, we have a robust surplus which enables us to absorb the cost of border wars.
For centuries, this was the “secret” of the British Empire (they didn’t win all their border wars either). (Then, we replaced them as the world’s foremost global power.)
For centuries, this was the “secret” of Rome. But, then, there followed a period of decline associated with corruption at the top, and bread and circuses among the masses. My fear for the countries is that we are following the precedent of Rome.
You are very amusing.
Thx. If you don’t maintain a perspective, this world will get you down.
Your mistake is believing that it was a mistake. It was intentional. It's the perfect method to swindle the taxpayers of the money they send to government, via the military-industrial complex that Ike warned us about.
We, like Russia, have strategic depth. In our case, the great oceans of the world. It is an interesting question as to whether we might collapse following defeat in a border war. It depends on whether we remain or maybe I should say return to a free enterprise system. With a vibrant free enterprise system, we have a robust surplus which enables us to absorb the cost of border wars.
No, technology has compromised those once invaluable strategic strengths considerably. They still exist to a degree but they are not the hurdle they once were. Here again you miss the mark, because you only see the enemy as coming from a foreign land. All it takes is a highly placed person from within to allow the foreign invaders carte blanche entry into our nation. Like oh, the non-stop incursion along our southern border primarily, without even a peep of retribution. In fact we are paying the NGOs money to facilitate the invasion.
This vibrant free enterprise system you desire to return to was the catalyst used to 1 take valuable important industries away from the most vibrant nation the world has even known, turning it into a consumer nation that produces nothing. The enticing seduction was the lure of more goods at cheaper prices. Oh, and cleaner air & water too. It was the beginning of the destruction of this nation, but you missed that.
For centuries, this was the “secret” of the British Empire (they didn’t win all their border wars either). (Then, we replaced them as the world’s foremost global power.)
What weakened the British Empire?
It was them trying to be involved in the business of everyone else. You know, like we have been doing since the end of WWII. I believe it was George Washington that warned us of falling into that trap.
But here we are again, involved in a war which has nothing to do with our National Security at all.
But you believe that we must put Russia in their place, and it wasn't a border war at all which means that you have zero knowledge about it at all, yet you support it because you are a patriot & I am nothing but an asshole as far as you are concerned.
Fair enough, I'll readily admit I am an asshole, because sometimes it takes an asshole to get the job done, and my job is trying to awaken you idiots that support this evil conflict by propping up Ukraine with lies, propaganda, and the money of hardworking Americans who are hurting themselves, but are being ignored by our government whose responsibility it is to help them before helping others.
Well, let try again to educate you. It was been an ongoing act of terrorism against Russian speaking Ukrainians who had lived there for generations. This conflict was totally unnecessary, and it was started by Obama with the coup d'état of Viktor Yanukovych.
I'm sorry that you miss so many things, or should I say get them wrong, very wrong.
You also had better check your crown of glory, because you are supporting evil when you support the continuation of this conflict. You may think you are on the right side of the Lord with this conflict, but you are not.
I’ll try to keep in mind just how intelligent you are, Bob.
You’d be better off, and so would the world, if you just worked on your lack of intelligence.
Thx, Bob. But, I haven’t yet forgotten to take into account the source of this advice.
Yeah, I forgot I was giving advice to an airhead, who reacts & never thinks. So we are even I guess.
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