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Anger seethes toward West - Muslims torn between love of Islam and America.
Calgary Sun ^ | November 11, 2001 | LICIA CORBELLA

Posted on 11/11/2001 6:08:05 PM PST by NorthernRight


November 11, 2001

Anger seethes toward West

Some Muslims in North America secretly hate their adopted society

By LICIA CORBELLA -- Calgary Sun

I read an article this week that so disturbed me -- though enlightened me at the same time -- I thought I would share it. It is a piece written by Dennis Wagner of the Arizona Republic and was titled: "Muslims torn between love of Islam and America." It is a deceptive title since nowhere in it was there any indication that these so-called Americans loved America at all.

It started out quoting Moayaad Hamad, who was wearing a striped Polo shirt, Nikes and was donning a cellphone strapped to his 501 Levis. This is what he had to say about his adopted country.

"It's getting to the point where I hate being here, even though I'm a citizen," said the 22-year-old structural engineer from Phoenix. "I don't think many (Muslims) are willing to say this because they are afraid to say it ... The Qu'ran doesn't justify taking out the World Trade Center, but Islam means not just peace, but freedom. You have to defend yourself."

It's the "but," that really gets me there. What, pray tell, is anyone defending themselves against by slamming commercial jet liners into the World Trade Center. But that's not what really troubled me.

The same article goes on to interview Ihsan Saadeddin, spokesman for the Phoenix Islamic Community Center, who is described as having a beautiful suburban home with a child's painting of an American flag on the front door.

"I love the Constitution of America. I love the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech," Saadeddin said. Yet, says the article, he also believes "the ideal system is a male-controlled Islamic state," and he acknowledges discomfort with free speech that criticizes Islam.

Maybe it's because I'm a woman and women -- let's be perfectly frank -- don't fare too well in countries that describe themselves as following Islamic law. What's maddening is this fellow would like to have it both ways.

He currently "loves" the freedom of religion and speech enshrined in the U.S. Constitution because it allows him to practise his beliefs and say what he wants.

But, let's not beat around the bush here. If he and most of his fellow believers had his way, he would tear up the very foundation that gives him his rights in order for him to impose his views on his fellow Americans and me.

As one Christian pastor who is familiar with Muslim countries wrote in an email recently: "Islam advocates and pleads for tolerance wherever it is in the minority; it advocates, implements and practices suppression and violence wherever it is in the majority."

I know this column will anger many Muslims, but before you write me to complain, finish this little exercise: Name one country that follows Islamic law that can be said to be free and just and that has more people immigrating to it than want to emigrate from it?

You won't be able to because not one exists.

For the most part, Muslims want to move to the West. The Qu'ran very clearly calls on its believers to "fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Qu'ran, Sura 9:5.

It is probable that the vast majority of North American Muslims do not think that non-Muslims must be slain. But if not in body, certainly in spirit. Though the body will do in certain circumstances.

Saadeddin, the fellow who says he loves the constitution, when asked to comment on the Palestinian who straps a bomb to his body and blows up a pizzeria full of women and children, views that as justified.

"If someone fights to gain his freedom, that's not terrorism," he said. "I don't even call them suicide attacks there. I call them martyrs."

The Levis-wearing engineer, Hamad, said: "I don't see anything necessarily wrong with the bombing of the (USS) Cole," referring to the attack in Yemen last year that killed 17 U.S. sailors.

This fellow is an American?

Elisabetta Burba, an Italian journalist, reported for the Wall Street Journal from Beirut that she saw well-heeled professionals cheering in the streets following the Sept. 11 attacks.

"The cafe's sophisticated clientele was celebrating, laughing, cheering and making jokes, as waiters served hamburgers and Diet Pepsi. Nobody looked shocked or moved. They were excited, very excited," she wrote.

She was told that 90% of the Arab world believes that America got what it deserved.

"An exaggeration?" she asks. "Rather an understatement."

Until recently I believed that seething anger towards the West existed only in far flung places of the world. But of late -- and I have much more evidence -- I'm starting to fear that many people who live in North America secretly feel the same way.

It troubles me and here's why.

I know that I would be executed post-haste in virtually any Islamic country for doing just what I have done here, write some facts and some opinion that the rulers don't like.

On this Remembrance Day (Veteran's Day) most of us will reflect on the high cost of freedom.

Those angry men I have quoted here have exercised that hard-won freedom.

We will have dropped the torch thrown to us by the failing hands of our veterans if we refuse to listen -- and hear -- their frightening message.


Licia Corbella, editor of the Calgary Sun, can be reached at 403-250-4129 or by e-mail at licia.corbella@calgarysun.com. Her columns appear Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday.
Letters to the editor should be sent to
callet@sunpub.com.



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To: Travis McGee
I defend American Muslims, those who have become citizens, only. All others, even students, need to go home. Maybe they can come back when the war is over, maybe not. I agree with everything you say...

In 1940, German-Americans were not plotting and scheming to blow up fellow Americans by the jet and building load.

And there were not tens of thousands of 25 year old German men roaming the USA on phony "student visas" planning their next acts of terrorism.

If there had been, they would have been interned or deported, and rightly so.

81 posted on 11/12/2001 6:51:11 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: Travis McGee
For the most part, Muslims want to move to the West. The Qu'ran very clearly calls on its believers to "fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Qu'ran, Sura 9:5.

"If someone fights to gain his freedom, that's not terrorism," he said. "I don't even call them suicide attacks there. I call them martyrs."

Sick!

82 posted on 11/12/2001 10:23:37 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Polybius
I firmly believe that it is time for people here on H1-Bs and Permanent Residence to take Loyalty Oaths. i.e. swear allegiance to the constitution.

That would be a start to getting rid the dangerous foreign elements.
83 posted on 11/12/2001 1:13:55 PM PST by glorgau
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To: GOPJ
"I was trying to explain that just as there were Germans in this country who were totally loyal American citizens ( almost 25% of Americans have some German blood in them) during WWII, there can be totally loyal American-Muslim citizens here during the War against Terror."

You are missing the point. German is the ethiniticity and Nazi is the ideology. Arab is the ethinticity and Muslim is the ideology. Germans could be loyal Americans but Nazis could not, Muslims can also not be loyal Americans. I am also German by the way and my grandfather also fought in WWII
84 posted on 11/12/2001 8:28:35 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: NorthernRight
Seethe about this you extremist asswipes:

that voice you're hearing isn't Allah's, it's Satan's

and that odor you're smelling is your soul burning.

85 posted on 11/12/2001 8:48:43 PM PST by Captain America
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To: Dallas
bttt
86 posted on 11/12/2001 8:52:16 PM PST by timestax
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To: NorthernRight
Seething anger huh?!
87 posted on 11/12/2001 8:55:39 PM PST by timestax
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To: NorthernRight
I'm trying to remember when last I gave a damn what the Moos want, or what the Moos think.

I've concluded there never was such a time.

88 posted on 11/12/2001 8:55:42 PM PST by Hank Rearden
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To: a_Turk
How tolerant were Ferdinand and Isabella during their "Spanish Inquisition?"

Nobody here wishes a second Inquisition, but even in that, anyone who professed repentance was forgiven. No implacable jihads like some other friendly folks we know.

89 posted on 11/12/2001 10:26:50 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Travis McGee
Well said.

Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - yorktown

90 posted on 11/13/2001 5:56:37 AM PST by harpseal
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To: harpseal
bttt
91 posted on 11/13/2001 8:13:41 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: NorthernRight
Bump against all terrorists!@!
92 posted on 12/27/2001 1:46:37 PM PST by timestax
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To: NorthernRight
Bump against all terrorists!@!
93 posted on 12/27/2001 1:46:57 PM PST by timestax
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To: weikel
bump
94 posted on 12/27/2001 1:48:22 PM PST by timestax
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To: Travis McGee
You hit the bull's eye. Again!
95 posted on 12/27/2001 1:50:23 PM PST by onyx
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To: NorthernRight
Don't like being in America ? Get the F$%^ out then.
96 posted on 12/27/2001 1:51:50 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: NorthernRight
But, let's not beat around the bush here. If he and most of his fellow believers had his way, he would tear up the very foundation that gives him his rights in order for him to impose his views on his fellow Americans and me.

Sounds like mainstream Democratic Party members to me.

97 posted on 12/27/2001 1:54:56 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 1/1,000,000th%
Sounds like mainstream Democratic Party members to me. 97 posted on 12/27/01 2:55 PM Pacific by <1/1,000

nyuk nyuk nyuk, u got dat right!!

98 posted on 12/27/2001 2:00:09 PM PST by timestax
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To: NorthernRight
Muslim scholars are looking for way for Islam to be compatible with American freedoms and the Constitution, they can't find any common ground, what does that tell you?
99 posted on 12/27/2001 2:04:14 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Travis McGee
Everything America is and represents (freedom of worship, freedom of speech, separation of Church and State, and so on) is contra to everything in the Koran and Islam. You cannot believe in Islam and believe in the Constitution.
100 posted on 12/27/2001 2:07:55 PM PST by FITZ
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