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Jews disagree on an afterlife Most of Judaism not concerned with afterlife
The Times-Picayune ^ | 11/24/01 | Bruce Nolan

Posted on 11/24/2001 4:17:58 AM PST by chemicalman

Edited on 07/14/2004 12:58:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Q. Do Jews believe in an afterlife?

A. "As many Jews as there are, there are that many opinions," said Rabbi David Goldstein of Touro Synagogue.

However monolithic Judaism might look from a distance, it contains a good deal of diversity of thought even on a question one might think as basic as whether anything lies beyond the grave -- which, incidentally, is not a question of great concern in most of Judaism, he said.


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To: monkeyshine
hi monkeyshine
thank you for your informative post
I didn't know any of it
I learned a lot from you
Love, Palo
161 posted on 11/24/2001 12:32:21 PM PST by palo verde
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To: No Left Turn; RobbyS
See # 81
162 posted on 11/24/2001 12:33:04 PM PST by Ex-Wretch
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To: Physicist
Hi Physicist
your point is well taken
God would want to communicate directly and unambiguously with all of us
He is our Creator, we are his Creation
it's natural he'd want that communication
Isn't that what these times are about?
We're all learning to listen to that quiet still voice within
(anyone who wants to that is)
Love, Palo
163 posted on 11/24/2001 12:39:55 PM PST by palo verde
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To: pocat
No one alive on this Earth will ever prove or disprove the existence of a God, Heaven, hell, or an eternal soul - But in the END we will find out who is right and who is wrong, won't we?

A very interesting statement.

"For by faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God"....

"Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"....

"For without faith it is impossible to please God"....

"For he that cometh to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him"....

164 posted on 11/24/2001 1:18:53 PM PST by VOYAGER
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To: elfman2; Boomer; pocat
"I think he was referring to a set of people that spend there lives worshipping and prostrating themselves to God with no belief that there is any more after this "

I hope I don't offend anyone, but my Christian education was that the Jews were waiting for a Messiah who would lead them to salvation.

Since I believe that Jesus was that Messiah, then I interpret the Old Testament scriptures in light of what Jesus said. But if one rejects Jesus as the promised Messiah, then I suppose you might have many different expectations of what the Messiah will do when he comes.

Perhaps one of you can tell me whether Jews today actually are waiting for a Messiah and what they think he will do when he arrives.

165 posted on 11/24/2001 1:21:01 PM PST by bayourod
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To: chemicalman
David believed in an afterlife. After the death of the son resulting from his adultery with Bathsheba died, he said "I will go to him." Job also believed in an afterlife.
166 posted on 11/24/2001 1:28:13 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: 185JHP
Your# 166) Correct!!

So did the wicked king Saul and the righteous prophet Samuel, etc.

167 posted on 11/24/2001 1:42:20 PM PST by maestro
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To: Patria One
Before Jesus, was an afterlife clear in the OT?

I remember the 23rd Psalm, where it says, I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever. That is, at least, an implication of it.

168 posted on 11/24/2001 2:15:26 PM PST by Mark17
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To: Mark17
OK. That makes sense. So why does the Rabbi say what he does?

Maybe our definitions are different in terms of afterlife and Messiah.

169 posted on 11/24/2001 2:22:45 PM PST by Patria One
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
In your post to me, you made some sense, and partly made my argument for me. You stated that man's brain cannot conceive of God, that only our heart/soul can. Well the feeling I get reading Ecclesiastes or certain Buddhist or Taoist texts, or even watching Star Wars might be the divine in me. However, if it's beyond the brain's ability, certainly there's no real need for the Bible, at least not for much of what appears in it.

You also said God would operate much like "the Force" would. In what I see around me, the order of the universe, I freely admit I don't know with certainty what lies beyond the pale of current human understanding. This could be a Force, or a God of some kind. This doesn't instantly validate the very specific Christian or Jewish vision of God. It would only validate some kind of loose theism.

If God wanted me to know His plan he'd have a way of telling me that trumped all else. If I wanted to save someone's life or soul, I'd hardly expect them to believe something written far before their time, I'd simply tell them. Or I'd have said something that would show knowledge beyond the achievements of that time(like Jesus inventing the airplane in 20 AD, or at least drawing one)

I was a Christian once, then a Jew. Now I'm an agnostic mostly. To me, whatever divine or Godliness exists manifests itself in the great triumphs and tragedies of my life and of humanity. The sorrow of losing my father, of not being able to work things out with someone who should be my wife and the joy of having someone as special as my mother, my friends, having loved so strongly before and knowing it shall happen again, all these are signs of the Divine. When I hear "Journey to the Line" from Hans Zimmer and my eyes fill with tears, this is the Divine.

The great things already exist for me, my life is not empty. I appreciate your concern, and I have no quarrel with how you've debated your side. Good fortune to you, my friend.

170 posted on 11/24/2001 2:44:07 PM PST by Skywalk
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To: Patria One
Excuse me? Where do the Lost Ten Tribes fit into this fantasy???
171 posted on 11/24/2001 2:48:20 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
You got me. I still don't know what Mystery Babylon is!
172 posted on 11/24/2001 2:50:39 PM PST by Patria One
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To: bayourod
Perhaps one of you can tell me whether Jews today actually are waiting for a Messiah and what they think he will do when he arrives.

Perhaps the answer that I will give is too shallow or not intellectually sophisticated enough to be acceptable due to its simplicity.

Nevertheless, I believe in their present condition of still having the vail that God placed over their understanding because they could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses after he had been in the presence of God receiving the Law, which was to lead them to the Truth, which is Christ.

The fundamentalist Jew of today is expecting the same the Jews in Jesus' day were expecting, and when Jesus refused to be made King they crucified Him

They are believing the Messiah yet to come will accept the kingship and will restore the glory of the kingdom that once was as in the days of David and Solomon through the physical overthrow and driving out their oppressors from Jewery thereby restoring Israel to its former greatness.

173 posted on 11/24/2001 2:50:46 PM PST by VOYAGER
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To: Patria One
OK. That makes sense. So why does the Rabbi say what he does?

Well, now that is something I can not answer. I don't know why.

174 posted on 11/24/2001 3:48:16 PM PST by Mark17
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To: VOYAGER
'They are believing the Messiah yet to come will accept the kingship and will restore the glory of the kingdom that once was as in the days of David and Solomon through the physical overthrow and driving out their oppressors from Jewery thereby restoring Israel to its former greatness."

That's very earthly, isn't it. Utopian sort of.

175 posted on 11/24/2001 4:01:03 PM PST by Patria One
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To: Physicist
It makes no sense to get faith from an argument of any kind.

You're missing my point. Pascal's Wager is not an "argument" intended to intellectually persuade. It is an emotional appeal aimed at people who need an emotional appeal, for whom the relevant intellectual questions have already been answered. Pascal and later commentators are clear about this. But by disingenuously portraying it as an intellectual argument that purports to add logical support to its conclusion, anti-Christians have been able to attack Christianity as unintellectual and slander Pascal as illogical and fallacious.

176 posted on 11/24/2001 4:15:32 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: chemicalman
The Hebrew Scriptures are completely silent on the idea of an afterlife, which began to develop in Jewish thought around the time of the arrival of Christianity, Goldstein said.

This guy calls himself a "rabbi"? Az och und vay.

JEWISH BELIEF OF LIFE AFTER DEATH

177 posted on 11/24/2001 4:20:03 PM PST by Alouette
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To: veronica
It is sort of irreligious to do good for other than altruistic reasons.
178 posted on 11/24/2001 4:29:40 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: RadioAstronomer
"Except there are consequences. Here in this life, If you steal, you go to jail etc."

There are consequences, of course. If you commit a crime, you get punished, but many people think they can get away with their crimes. On a moral level, which is where most religions come into play, if there is no afterlife, there are no or minor consequences in the minds of the people who do not believe in an afterlife.

179 posted on 11/24/2001 9:01:30 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Skywalk
"Hehe, I knew I was opening myself up on that one. "

Open wide and say, awwwwww.

180 posted on 11/24/2001 9:03:32 PM PST by Don Myers
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