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Survival of the fittest: David Hackworth compares military readiness of Marines, Army
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, November 27, 2001 | Col. David Hackworth

Posted on 11/27/2001 1:03:46 AM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: looscannon
In a Thanksgiving day phone conversation with my favorite Drill Instructor at Parris Island, I learned that the latest group of Marine recruits are "great kids. Very motivated.

This is terrific news, thanks for sharing, but ya know, it takes the special skills of very special people like that favorite Drill Instructor of yours to train and keep those "great kids" motivated to face the challenges they must face once deployed.

From my past teaching experiences I know that some children are naturally gifted and would make terrific doctors, educators, athletes, or businessmen. But there are some careers which take skills from each of these fields and combine them with the leadership talents required to instill pride, motivation, and the tremendous physical fitness demands required of young marines to go out and risk their lives for the rest of us. Thank God for people like your favorite Drill Instructor!

21 posted on 11/27/2001 6:07:44 AM PST by Irma
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To: Live free or die
Uhhh - "the guy who wrote this" is one of the most-decorated living retired Army soldiers around. Fought in WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam, resigned as an O-6 after seeing too much bovine scat generaling in Nam - this defined as "doing way too much stupid stuff that gets grunts killed".

He isn't jealous, that's why he writes "heartbreaking as it is for me to admit, the forward-based and highly deployable U.S. Marine Corps is the fittest." No, he's not jealous - he's just cognizant of reality.

22 posted on 11/27/2001 6:26:43 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Irma; LadyX
Appreciate your comments, guys. Thank you. This is the kind of thread that is bound to turn into its own little war, unfortunately.
23 posted on 11/27/2001 6:43:00 AM PST by looscannon
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To: Live free or die
Do you not know who Col. Hackworth is? That's one other advantage of Marines: We know our history.
24 posted on 11/27/2001 6:47:35 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: JohnHuang2
as usual...RANGERS LEAD THE WAY !

May their will be strong, their path be sure and their aim be true.

25 posted on 11/27/2001 6:49:52 AM PST by Khurkris
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To: Live free or die
So what if Marines are in Afghanistan

Sounds to me that Col Hackworth's words a grating on your ears. He is the MOST decorated living veteran, a retired US Army colonel.

I guess good medicine doesn't have to taste good. He makes some very good points about decision making policies that you should read with an open mind.

Perhaps that is why the Army's mascot is a mule.

26 posted on 11/27/2001 6:54:48 AM PST by Norb2569
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To: Paratroop; kdf1; AMERIKA; Lancey Howard; MudPuppy; SMEDLEYBUTLER; opbuzz; Snow Bunny; gitmogrunt...
Great points, but right from the start, you guys were designed for major land battles, we were designed for the beachhead. It is all in design, not ability.

Paratroops are nice to sieze things, but armor is too heavy to air drop, it needs a ship. If Army doctrine changes to include Naval deployments, it would still be called a Marine force.

From a strict definition, there is no difference between a Marine Force and an Army Force. The only difference is in the method of deployment. Training can make the man and the unit. While I am proud to have served in the Marines, I have no doubt that the Army Rangers/Airborne are some bad boys!

Rangers have some great reputations as do Marines. What gave the Army the bad reputations are the lack of preparedness in Korea and Japan after WWII, the outright retreat of U.S. Army units because of poor deployment of forces in North Korea before China intervention, the 'average GI' in Vietnam Stereotype caused by the draft and those who just didn't care if they served or not, and the introduction of women into the combat arena. Marines never had this problem.

I will relate something I saw personnaly in Hawaii. I was attached to a RECON unit for an overnight deployment to hump a PRC-47 for them. We humped all night, then paused before calling in Naval guns in the morning on spot.

They cancelled the gunfire, and we just waited for extraction, when we saw an Army Battalion come in by CH-47, all at once! It was quite a site.

After they all disembarked, I saw them line up and form on the dirt road we were near, I was surprised to hear the personal conversations. Every time I ever got off a bird, we got rightto work, and no one talked. these guys were waiting to go somewhere, though, so I just passed it off.

Their C.O. told them to take their packs off and sit down a spell, and man, they almost took off all their clothes! These guys stripped off shirts, packs, boots and even turned on radios.

I was an Air Winger, that means I wasn't a grunt, but a radio/radar operator, and we were more lax than regular Marines, but what I saw shocked me. These guys were on a party, not a deployment.

They milled around for about 20 minutes, and then their C.O. told them to saddle up. I thought I was shocked before, but what I saw next was the worst thing I cold ever imagine: 50% of the troops all started to complain that they just sat down and started griping about having to move out.

I was stunned. I asked the RECON guys if they ever saw this, and they all looked at me and said yes, it is common for Army Troops to respond to their officers like this, in fact they saw it all the time whenever they were near the Army.

I will never forget that. This unit was from Schofield Barracks on Oahu, and I sincerly hope it was an isolated incident.

27 posted on 11/27/2001 6:57:10 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: LadyX
I describe the hearts, without equal, of the individuals...

Well said, Lady X!!

28 posted on 11/27/2001 7:00:36 AM PST by Norb2569
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To: Fred Mertz; Live free or die
Here's a quote from Patton's speech to his troops before finishing off the Germans..

"We want to get the hell over there. The quicker we clean up this goddamned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the goddamned Marines get all of the credit".

Hey, we are all part of a TEAM that is for one purpose: defense of our country. So what if there some internal squabbling?

29 posted on 11/27/2001 7:11:39 AM PST by Norb2569
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To: real saxophonist
Do you not know who Col. Hackworth is?

Yes, I do. With all due respect to his service, he's a complete idiot. This is the same jackass who was jumping up and down about how the Bradley, M1 and Apache were over complicated pieces of crap which would end up getting our soldiers slaughtered. If you've read About Face, you know everything you need to know about him. His editorial commentary is sadly offbase on nearly every point. I guess some people don't have sense enough to quit while they're ahead.

30 posted on 11/27/2001 7:12:28 AM PST by mvscal
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To: JohnHuang2
Semper Fi, Marines, and God's Speed.
31 posted on 11/27/2001 7:14:56 AM PST by 68 grunt
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To: JohnHuang2
bttt
32 posted on 11/27/2001 7:24:15 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: RaceBannon
Code of the Grunt

Never stand when you can sit down, never sit down when you can lie down, and never lie down without going to sleep.

33 posted on 11/27/2001 7:40:21 AM PST by 68 grunt
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To: 68 grunt
Yeah, in combat or back in the rear, but not just off the helo that dropped you off at an LZ!!
34 posted on 11/27/2001 7:48:14 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: LadyX; RaceBannon
"I describe the hearts, without equal, of the individuals..."

And therein lies the difference!

Well said!

35 posted on 11/27/2001 7:55:50 AM PST by COB1
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To: RaceBannon
Perhaps I should've included a smiley face. The book 'Citadel' by Dale A. Dye has those 'code of the grunt' quotes.
36 posted on 11/27/2001 7:55:54 AM PST by 68 grunt
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To: JohnHuang2
John,

I agree with a previous Freeper--you post outstanding stuff!

Airlift for this Army is costly. Even our wonderful C-17 (at about $350 million per copy) can only bring ONE tank at a time to the battle field. The C-17 is designed to land and take off at short, unimproved airfields--yes--BUT--there is no way our strategic lift can get the Army in great quantity where the fight is because they are TOO heavy! 94% of the lift for DESERT STORM was by Sealift--and that was even with the CRAF (Civil Reserve Air Fleet) --meaning the airliners--augmented for Phase II war.

SkyPilot's rules for war:

1. Get there the first-est with the most-est

2. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight

3. There is never enough airlift

By the way--our Marines are outstanding. I have never seen a Marine who was not sharp as a tack.

And anyone who wants a "Barf Alert" post--find Lt Gen Claudia Kennedy's (retired) book and post stuff here. I am sure it will generate about, ummmmmm, 549 responses.

Thanks again John!

37 posted on 11/27/2001 8:05:40 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: JohnHuang2; LadyX
A definite big ole oooo-rah
38 posted on 11/27/2001 11:28:10 AM PST by wattsmag2
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To: COB1
COB1:
There were a lot of us undergrads who were vets. We would sit around talking about our various branchs of service, but one fellow (looked kinda like Mongo in Blazing Saddles) would get overly excited if we said anything negative about the USMC, as if we had said something bad about his mother. We would sometimes sing the Marine Hymn to the tune of Oh My Darling Clementine, which drove him nuts.
39 posted on 11/27/2001 11:37:47 AM PST by ofMagog
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To: ofMagog
Read "The Kinder, Gentler Military" by Stephanie Gutmann.
40 posted on 11/27/2001 11:45:36 AM PST by szweig
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