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Survival of the fittest: David Hackworth compares military readiness of Marines, Army
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, November 27, 2001 | Col. David Hackworth

Posted on 11/27/2001 1:03:46 AM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: LadyX
"May God bless this so special group of Warriors
...and we know CHIEF is watching over them, shouting encouragement from heaven!"

AMEN
PS Thanks CHIEF!
41 posted on 11/27/2001 11:48:16 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: wattsmag2
"A definite big ole oooo-rah"

You know just how to please your Mother, don't you, Young'un??!!
(((hugs))) ..:)))

42 posted on 11/27/2001 12:00:33 PM PST by LadyX
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To: LadyX
You, my dearest LadyX, are a shameless shill for the USMC. We, of the USRA, are not amused!-)
43 posted on 11/27/2001 12:06:23 PM PST by beowolf
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To: RaceBannon
Thanks for the flag - Semper Fi do or die - ooorahh
44 posted on 11/27/2001 12:10:18 PM PST by VaMarVet
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To: ofMagog
LOL!!

Maybe you ought to sing it to the tune of: Ghost Riders in the Sky!

45 posted on 11/27/2001 12:14:22 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: beowolf
Love you, too, beo..:)))
46 posted on 11/27/2001 12:17:16 PM PST by LadyX
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To: SkyPilot
March 2000 Proceedings

Captain Herman T. Voelkner, U.S. Army (Retired)

"When Sara Lister was forced to resign her Pentagon position after labeling the Marine Corps as "extremists," there were those among the fair-minded who wondered whether she had been treated too harshly.

Perhaps she was quoted out of context, we thought, or was making a sophisticated rhetorical point, inelegantly phrased. It was not necessarily the case that she was yet another social engineer determined to bring the military to heel and force it to conform to fashionable societal trends.

Alas, we need wonder no longer. In this article, she shows herself lacking even a basic understanding of the military ethos. She seems as determined as ever to reshape the military along the lines of some fuzzy notions of "fairness." Ms. Lister thus joins a depressingly long list of political appointees who believe that storied notions of "warrior spirit" and so on are merely antiquated "constructs" to be swept into an ignominious corner. She is similar to Duke University professor Madeline Morris, hired by then Secretary Of The Army Togo West to be his special assistant on gender relations. Ms. Morris was chosen on the basis of her law review article suggesting the Army give up its "construct of masculinity" and emphasize instead "compassion and understanding" and the adoption of an "ungendered vision."

No wonder there is a "gap" in civil-military relations. Naturally, Ms. Lister does not attribute this to the fact that the services have been commandeered by agenda-driven dilettantes, whose military experience can be more or less summarized by their belief that every fighting unit should look pretty much like the bridge of the Starship Enterprise. It is not enough for her that the traditional view of the military as the consummate meritocracy has been expunged, and that an officer's career is not determined as much by gender and minority status as by heroism and leadership ability.

I submit that Americans would do better to worry about whether their sons and daughters will be arriving at Dover Air Force Base wrapped in plastic because their leader was judged by standards other than those of competence.

It is an absurd reproach, and a red herring, to say that anyone in uniform questions the constitutional mandate of civilian control. What does worry them is whether decisions about the necessary integration of women into the fighting force will be made by experienced military leaders or by unabashed proponents of a feminist agenda. Lister and her like-minded colleagues make no secret of the fact that they want to break down all barriers to women, including combat exclusion. They are determined to discount any military opinion on this matter. They do so by mastering the first weapon of the politically correct: anathematize the opposition.

Warriors who resist her notions are clinging to an outdated "construct" of masculinity.

Women do play a vital role in our national defense. We could not and should not do without their participation. But that is not the same as saying that every barrier to women in the military should be removed.

Frequently, there are considerable trade-offs, which military leaders are entitled to take into account. When the Army integrated women into the ranks of its medics, for example, it found that two women, unlike two men, do not possess the upper body strength needed to carry a fully-laden stretcher. Faced with the mandate to assimilate women into these positions, the Army neatly redefined carrying a stretcher as a task that requires four soldiers.

Thus, the social engineers win another battle, and a new niche is opened for women. Few seemed to notice that, in the process, readiness has just declined by 50%. Extrapolate from that one example, across the length and breadth of the military, and one can see the cost such ill-considered policies can have in terms of our ability to fight.

Lister and her colleagues obfuscate the question of "feminizing" the military, when not actively ridiculing it. But then what are we to make of Lieutenant General Claudia Kennedy? The senior intelligence officer in the Army has designed a "Consideration of Others" (COO) program, naturally to be made mandatory. An internal Army memo summarizing this sensitivity offensive cites that every military and civilian member of the Army will undergo training, under the tutelage of the usual legion of "facilitators," to instill in our soldiers "common courtesy, decency, and sensitivity to the feelings of others." One suspects that most women in the ranks, their jobs difficult enough, must cringe when they see policies such as COO being promulgated by their presumed role models. One also wonders how the Army leadership, with its shrinking resources and multiplying imperial burdens, feels it can expend those resources on counselors and "increasing sensitivity" instead of ammunition and combat training.

Meanwhile, training standards have continually been lowered to accommodate women. Men who experience the Army's initial-entry training now wonder what happened in the tough, disciplined basic training of their fathers' and grandfathers' stories. When I commanded a "mixed" (male and female) basic training company, the men did not feel challenged the way they had expected to be. Road marches had to be slowed down so that women could keep up the pace, and physical activity was "gender-normed" into irrelevance.

Nowadays, basic training resembles summer camp. The Navy no longer drills its trainees with rifles, and issues them a "blue card" to hand to their trainer if they feel discouraged.

This softness of training has its effects in the areas of recruitment and retention, with every service but one below its minimum personnel requirements. I suspect this has less to do with the vigor of the private sector than with the loss of any feeling of "specialness" which attracts and retains soldiers in the first place. Napoleon's maxim that "the morale is to the physical as three to one" reminds us that there are intangibles more important than material inducements. A military no more special in its ethos than the trendiest high-tech firm will find that its soldiers will see through the sham and desert it for that high-tech firm.

Finally, I mentioned that only one service is successfully meeting its recruitment goals. Instructively, that service is the United States Marine Corps, home of Lister's "extremists." It alone resists the feminist's demands to integrate basic training; it alone cultivates unabashedly a reputation for breeding warriors who don't need to call for a "time out" when things get tough.

Let us hope we never have need to discover, as we did with Task Force Smith in Korea, how dissipated has become that unique chemistry which causes soldiers to cohere when confronted with the sheer wanton brutality and chaos of combat. History, however, teaches us otherwise. It teaches us that it is only a matter of time before somewhere American hostages are taken, or somewhere an American embassy is surrounded by armed fanatics, or somewhere an invader runs rampant over a civilian populace.

And when such an event happens, the hopeless and besieged won't be looking anxiously over the horizon for a group of American troops liberated from their masculine constructs, polite and courteous, attentive to the sensitivities of others.

They'll be looking for the Marines.

47 posted on 11/27/2001 12:23:57 PM PST by VaMarVet
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To: Dave Dilegge
And here is a link to an Amazon.com excerpt from Generally Speaking: A Memoir by the First Woman Promoted to Three- Star General in the United States Army.

And here is a link to Amazon.com's Reader's Reviews of Generally Speaking - a lot of top star ratings and babble about breaking through the glass ceiling in the military. Nothing about learning how to break through Taliban fortresses though.

48 posted on 11/27/2001 12:41:32 PM PST by VaMarVet
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To: JohnHuang2
My gunny dad always said a Marine Seargent has more respect and authority than a full bird Army Colonel.
49 posted on 11/27/2001 12:57:40 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: JohnHuang2
Hackworth always has good points to make, and the Marines have always been the overall tough branch of the US forces.

Our Navy, Army, Air Force, Marines, and even the Coast Guard, all have important roles to play in our national defense, in spite of the overlap of equipment and duties, and the redundancy, and the duplication of effort and machinery, and the redundancy, and so much similar stuff, etc.

There's always room for improvement in the units, branches, and the DOD as a whole, but I wouldn't advocate getting rid of a whole branch. If we disband the Army, we'll soon find ourselves in a ground war against 10 million foot soldiers, simply because we created our own archilles heel. Enemies will design their forces to take advantage of any shortcoming they perceive in ours.

As a former sailor, I don't envy the infantry, grunts, airedales, or the others, or discount their contributions.

Besides, thanks to a merciful God, and the U.S. Marine Corp, the U.S. Navy has never, ever lost a gate. (:D

50 posted on 11/27/2001 1:02:05 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Dave Dilegge
That's some darn good reading, Dave.
That points out some things a lot us knew, but it's not public knowledge.
It reminds me a lot of the emasculation attempts our public schools are attempting with our boys.
It's time to kick these feminists out of areas where they don't belong and redefine masculine and feminine roles.
51 posted on 11/27/2001 1:43:02 PM PST by COB1
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To: meadsjn
Oh yes:

... If the Army and the Navy ever look on heaven's scenes, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines.

52 posted on 11/27/2001 1:59:33 PM PST by VaMarVet
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To: RaceBannon
BUMP from a Hackworth fan.....me.
53 posted on 11/27/2001 3:47:20 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: COB1
AMEN Cobby, Three cheers for the Marines. GOOD post Cobby, I love reading it .
54 posted on 11/27/2001 4:24:05 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: COB1
I heard the Col. on Hanniety's radio program today. He was talking about his statements regarding the Marines. He said the reason the Marines are the best, is because they stick to their values and don't compermise them. Marines are not afraid of committment. They train knowing they will be in combat one day. He said, when it comes to training women, the separate them from the men, because they know it's the best thing to do. All and all, Hack had nothing but praise for the Marines.
55 posted on 11/27/2001 4:28:54 PM PST by Teacup
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To: Live free or die
Ditto!
56 posted on 11/27/2001 4:34:24 PM PST by Newbomb Turk
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To: looscannon
Lets keep in mind who the enemy is. Fighting ourselves will not bring us victory. We will need every branch of the military to include reserves,retirees and plain citizens to acheive our goal. Keep your eyes and ears open. Stay Alert Stay Alive.
57 posted on 11/27/2001 4:40:07 PM PST by Newbomb Turk
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To: LadyX
Thanks a million! Great article, and I would have missed it.

FReegards,

58 posted on 11/27/2001 4:47:34 PM PST by VMI70
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To: JohnHuang2
I can't beleive Hackworth wrote this.
It wasn't too long ago he was lambasting the Marines and Calling for them to be absorbed into the Army as redundant in one of his books.
Not That I don't agree with everything he wrote in this article, but I must point out his change of heart.
He was one of the harshest critics the Corps has ever had, even wanted them to be turned into one of the Army's light divisions.
I'm glad he changed his mind, Marines will have that effect on people.
59 posted on 11/27/2001 4:49:21 PM PST by usmcobra
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To: usmcobra
"I'm glad he changed his mind, Marines will have that effect on people."

Sometimes they do this by rearranging their head.

60 posted on 11/27/2001 4:53:19 PM PST by COB1
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