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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: Jim Robinson
Just found this thread so here's my two cents worth: Freerepublic serves a vital function in its role as a dissection machine for mainstream news and its ability to ferret out truth from spin. I send you money when I can and will continue to do so. Keep the spirit alive.
901 posted on 11/29/2001 3:54:38 AM PST by groanup
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To: Jim Robinson
Something else. Liberals (even those who are "cloaked") ALWAYS attribute to their enemies the crimes that they commit!

We know that where liberals dominate the government / locations - fraudulent elections ALWAYS follow.

We know that liberals do NOTHING unless it's for money. They cannot understand, tolerate, or deal with freedom in any form - (except THEIR freedom to denigrate and destroy others without fear of correction and THEIR freedom to amass multiplied billions for themselves and their friends - mostly at taxpayer expense).

Those who attack you, Jim, and who attack Free Republic are simply claiming you / we are doing what THEY ALWAYS DO! Commit FRAUD!

902 posted on 11/29/2001 3:54:44 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: wewillnotfail
Thank you for what you said.
903 posted on 11/29/2001 3:56:43 AM PST by brityank
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To: havoc1us
How 'bout selling web services like KeepAndBearArms??? I'd love an address@FreeRebublic.com

If you hurry freerebublic.com is available.

I know, I know...I just couldn't resist ;-)

904 posted on 11/29/2001 3:58:10 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: Jim Robinson
I've read all 891 replies. We vote.....with our contributions. For those who recommend a monthly charge, I say let THEM make it a SELF-imposed one. For those who can't manage a contribution, ok....we understand. For the others.......they know who they are (freeloaders).

Although I am a monthly contributor, what I freely give is not nearly enough to cover the value received so I plan to up the monthly.

905 posted on 11/29/2001 3:58:32 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: havoc1us
Exactly! I think that rather than just trying to stay even at the current level of service (which is beyond compare anywhere on the web) - gear up and become a nationwide ISP. There's plenty of .coms that have or are going belly up and whose assets are auctioned daily for pennies on the dollar. You've got a huge pool of technically proficient people who would VOLUNTEER their time to help this site reach its' full potential. Anyone that questions your honesty is a dripping Clymer - and they know it. If KeepandBearArms.com can do it, you've got it made - and this site can become the vehicle for positive change that you've only dreamed of. (And has done a damn fine job of so far, IMHO.) I know I'd much rather pay you to hook up to the web - especially since I seldom if ever go anywhere else. Remember - we're ADDICTS. You've created us by offering your drug of conservative comraderie, made us see that we're not alone in our views (well, Milosovec2 is), and you've given us a home. We're not leaving home, Jim. Face it. For you to give this site up now would be the equivalent of giving Gore the election tomorrow. WE'RE NOT ONLY ADDICTS, WE'RE HAPPY ADDICTS. (I'll pay an extra $10/month if you would consider banning all further Lew Rockwell/Harry Browne articles and/or posts by their lapdogs.)

Free Republic deserves to be a nationwide ISP - please give it some thought.

906 posted on 11/29/2001 3:58:40 AM PST by 11B3
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To: Jim Robinson
CAN'T...RESIST...MUST DONATE...MONEY! ARGGH!

Damn it, Jim! You hoodwinked me into donating more money.
:-)

907 posted on 11/29/2001 4:00:02 AM PST by BufordP
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To: Mad Dawgg; Jim Robinson; Bob J
You know, the tiered idea with a free area and a subscribe area might not be all that bad of an idea, and one way of doing it might not muck things up with the Fair Use tenet, and might also address an ongoing problem with the site.

Here is my brainstorm.

The forum stays as is for the most part (donations optional). However, to post a vanity article or to post to a general discussion thread, one would have to pay a small subscription fee).

To do this, all that would be needed would be another "topic" or category which could be used to designate the "chat" style threads (The Guild, ATRW, The Smoker's Lounge, FReepoles, etc), and have an access level or list inplemented in the software to limit access to that category to only donors. Since these threads have no copywrite protections, there should be no fair use concerns.

The vanities would not need a special category- just a warning that vanities are only to be posted by paying customers and donors when a person tries to post an article, and then the moderators could pull those which are vanities posted by non-paying types (and I am not suggesting the mods get access to who has been donating how much. All that would need to be visible to them is a yes/no flag for the article's poster).

In each case, we would be charging for the content which is distinctly separate from the published, copywrited articles we debate.

908 posted on 11/29/2001 4:00:14 AM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: LibKill
Keep FR going. Ask us for whatever amount you need. Give us a per person target when you next run a fund raiser.
909 posted on 11/29/2001 4:00:37 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Jim Robinson
We need you.
910 posted on 11/29/2001 4:01:25 AM PST by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: Hugh Akston
Copyright, my man. Copyright.

Never post before drinking your two cups of coffee...

911 posted on 11/29/2001 4:03:39 AM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: Jim Robinson
While I haven't read all 896+ posts, I've seen a couple of suggestions for a FR store.

FR doesn't have to be "for profit" to raise money by trading memorabilia for donations. Clubs do it all the time. We're a club, aren't we? I don't know if we've ever considered ourselves a club, but we are. The members of a club are people with many of the same goals.

We could also charge, rather than a monthly fee, a membership fee.

Any legal ramifications to that?

912 posted on 11/29/2001 4:04:12 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Jim Robinson
I've only been at FR for a short while, and I can't imagine it going away. Please keep it going Jim!!
913 posted on 11/29/2001 4:05:58 AM PST by KansasConservative
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To: Jim Robinson
I'll do what I can to keep Free Republic open. As the TV ad says, "Free Republic, it's priceless!"
914 posted on 11/29/2001 4:06:18 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Come now, Harry.......I hope to hell that you're "bigger" than that.

I've seen LOTS of folks put into "the penalty box" (i.e. posting privileges pulled for a few days or so) 'round these parts........heck, I've skirted it a few times myself. :) Ahem.

So, must ask: Were you being "vicious" to other posters? (Remember: doesn't matter if YOU think you were; what matters is whether or not OTHERS felt offended by you; such is the real world...) If so, or if such was the perception (complaint?), were you warned? If so, how often? Did you heed the warning(s)? If not, did that result in your "banning"?

Harry, I always thought that you were a pretty decent guy; still do. You're passionate about your beliefs; I like that and respect that. However (like me, I readily admit), you can also have a hair-trigger temper. That's ok, but it can be difficult to keep that in check on such a forum when arguing an issue or a point. I've been warned on more than one occasion to "tone it down"..........believe me. :) I heeded those little pokes in the ribs, because I knew (much as it probably pi**ed me off to admit it in the 'heat of battle') that I probably was going over the line.

Maybe the same happened to you.........but maybe you didn't respond. I don't know; I'm not accusing here.

I'm just saying that I've been on this forum for one heck of a long time, and I give FR a LOT of "glass time". That qualifies me to say unabashedly that JimRob does NOT ban people willy-nilly and he has one hell of a longer fuse than I do. I've also seen people "banned", later to communicate with Jim about it (directly or indirectly through a friend, etc.), and have seen Jim reinstate the banned party in a heartbeat (hey........he's human, too, right?).

Personally, I'd like to see ya back here. Always enjoyed your stuff, even if I disagreed with you.

915 posted on 11/29/2001 4:06:36 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: zeaal
I'll pay $10.00 a month, I am on SS. Keep FR online and well!
916 posted on 11/29/2001 4:06:38 AM PST by fred flinch
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
I wasn't banned for having a "spirited" discussion. I WAS banned for discussing the fact that Clarity had quit and posting questions about FR's new attorney.

I'm surprised I haven't been banned again. It's been, what, two whole hours now.....

Regards,
Callahan Banned

917 posted on 11/29/2001 4:08:12 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Jim Robinson
Here's one more "keep it alive" vote !!
918 posted on 11/29/2001 4:08:13 AM PST by sanchmo
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I'm damned if I'm going to read 800-something posts to find out if anyone else said it (I'm hoping at least a few dozen did), but all I see anyone asking for is a very general overview of accounts, if we're going to be asked to keep contributing. Very basic "we need this much, and here's where it's going to go". Which is exactly what you just (finally) gave us, thank you very much. Though a tally of what you've got and the gap might be helpful.

It's offensive to hear continually about how it's your living room and your rules, and then to be hit up for money. How many living rooms have you been in where the host passes the hat for the light bill?

So we got the rough accounts, thanks. Too bad you had to tack this "or else I'm going to throw FR over a cliff" crap onto the end. Teenage girl stuff.

Now, I'll start the bidding at $100. A hundred bucks to biff the first moderator. Anyone join me in putting a bounty on their little pointy heads?

919 posted on 11/29/2001 4:09:23 AM PST by Ratatoskr
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To: Jim Robinson
Check being mailed today.
920 posted on 11/29/2001 4:10:03 AM PST by Ann Archy
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