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Quadrant magazine, letter to the editor | December 2001 | Greg Deane

Posted on 01/11/2002 12:38:48 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie

Scimitar Society

(reader's letter to the Australian conservative magazine Quadrant, December 2001)

Sir: I am writing to add my voice to yours in respect of the editorial "Compassion, Illegal immigration and Hypocrisy" (October 2001). But I would also like to say that I take umbrage with the terms elite and intellectual that recur so frequently throughout the editorial.

Journalists and schoolteachers, together with a few academics in disciplines like sociology, education, anthropology and political science, do not constitute an intellectual elite, so much as a coterie of reciprocating collaborators of narrow dogma, used to repress the thoughts of those who have a deeper and longer view. Such persons who have managed to corner the market on presentable opinion include Mike Carlton, Michelle Grattan, Jennifer Hewitt, Mark Riley and even, disappointingly, Tony Jones and Maxine McKew,(these are all Australian media leftists and liberals ) who have half-baked views on historiography and contextualisation. At the same time, those who do present a longer view, like Geoffrey Blainey or Roger Sandall (Australian conservative historians) , are predictably dismissed as narrow or bigoted or constructivist, given to an abuse of discourse.

These so-called intellectual elites are particularly selective themselves in denouncing categorically a word like crusade, while demanding a sensitive interpretation of jihad. It is apparently forgotten that the crusades of the eleventh, twelfth and thirteenth centuries were attempts to regain holy places taken by marauding Saracens under the banners of their early jihads. It is rarely remembered that the supposedly gracious and gentle Saladin had 330 knights slaughtered after the Battle of Hattin in 1187 because they would not submit to the faith of Allah.

It was because of pirating Muslims that southern Europe was trapped in the dark ages, and that Spain was overrun and the Spanish Catholics oppressed until the Reconquista gradually drove out the intruders. This campaign was not complete until the year Columbus embarked on his voyage to open up the New World to the advances and benign influences of the West. It is unlikely you would find many native Americans who would appreciate the loss of the extra twenty or thirty years of life that westernisation brought them, or the loss of the televisions or beer or tenpin bowling so they could return to the tepee and the buffalo hunt.

The intellectual elite dogmatists may forget the Muslim depredations that have continued through from the time of the hegira, while calling on their publics to acknowledge the wonderful work of Averroes or Avicenna, yet again forgetting that most of what they published stemmed from the minds of Western thinkers like Aristotle, Archimedes and Hypatia.

I also feel it is important to support the stance taken by (Australian minister for immigration) Mr Ruddock and the Liberal-National (current, conservative )government on illegal immigrants and refugees. It is unreasonable that those who recognise the imposition of such groups and seek to resist it suffer the criticism that dogs them, either because of biased politicking, or uncritical concern for human rights issues. Terms like racist, parochial, redneck, simplistic, xenophobic and Hansonite have recently come to dominate the press electronically and in print. All such terms seem to be code for saying it is wrong to disagree with the self-appointed politically correct.

The disregard shown by boat people from the Middle East for Australian laws and protocols does not seem to be an aberration, buy typical of 1400 years of interaction between these people who have raped and pillaged and taxed and even stolen Christian youth to form the nucleus of their armies as janissaries.

I have had dealings with many Middle Eastern people in the school system, I have noted their behaviour in public places, and read reports and statistics that substantiate views concerning an endemic lack of respect for the Australian community. At the same time, the high levels of intolerance apparent in Middle Eastern countries for Kurds, Buddhists and Christian evangelists, the willingness to submit to autocratic patriarchy, and their age-old conflicts between Shiites and Sunnis, among other entrenched societal intolerance, justifies an open culture like Australia being reluctant to accept immigrants from these cultures. It seems only reasonable to me that a community should be entitled to retain its integrity and its traditions, and so safeguard the well-being of its citizens, from invaders who do not respect its borders.

It is unfortunate that the United Nations has become a tribunal for channeling charges against the OCED, and for ignoring the atrocities, corruption, racism, bigotry and obstructive inequities in the majority of developing countries, except to lay responsibility for them at the door of "neo-colonialism".

In view of the many instances throughout history of the propensity of different groups to behave aggressively towards others, or in ways that are unacceptable to others, I am stunned at the presumption and temerity whereby writers like (notorious Aussie liberal) Mike Carlton feel they can so easily lump any people who are opposed to the invasion of Australia and other civilised countries by boat people. By "civilised" I mean those nations where rule of law prevails in a spirit of tolerance for difference. But this same characteristic does not necessitate self-destruction through permitting socially incompatible groups into a community.

To be aware of the ramifications of a lax policy towards these sea nomads is not to link oneself with (conservative Buchanan-style Aussie politician) Pauline Hanson, but to be aware of what has happened and what conditions will be exacerbated if the insipid views of Carltonites prevail. Further, to use a term like Hansonite as pejorative is to sweep away the thought-out views of a large segment of the population. That no other spokesperson than the semi-literate Hanson has stepped forth is a reflection on the censorship and social strictures imposed on free thought and expression by the Carltonites who are presently in power.

Despite claims to the contrary which have appeared in the press, there is nothing farcical about denying entry to members of a lunatic culture that originated in a holy war. From the time of Mohammed’s pilgrimage, Muslims have been dominating Middle Eastern and Central Asian regions with the scimitar, imposing a closed society, and an oppression of different viewpoints to rival only newspapers like the Australian. The closed Islamic society was born in jihad; the Christian, Western societies were born in a spirit of charity. It is suicidal to allow entry of members of an intolerant culture that will threaten us when they are able and oppress us as they are used to being oppressed.

Take note: nearly every Islamic culture is impoverished. Even Turkey at the height of its power only accrued wealth through invasion and levying of high taxes on its subject peoples. Their closed societies and closed minds prevent invention and reflection. The Afghani boat people are a small part of the problem that is already evident in the anti-social activities of other Islamic groups in Australia. Their children of Islamic families do not apply themselves, whether because of culture or some inherent malfunction. Any survey honestly conducted would reflect a lack of success among Muslims academically and in other areas of human endeavour, except terrorism.

So let them sail back to their deserts and their mosques and their camels and their tents-and terrify each other. And let the intellectual elite in the media and the education and sociology faculties form communities of tolerance and openness in accordance with their values; perhaps they may still be in existence as such in six or seven months.

Greg Deane
Ryde, New South Wales
Australia


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To: Byron_the_Aussie; Kozak
From: The Great Heresies by Hilaire Belloc

Chapter 4: The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed

The last effort they [Islam] made to destroy Christendom was contemporary with the end of the reign of Charles II in England and of his brother James and of the usurper William III. It failed during the last years of the seventeeth century, only just over two hundred years ago. Vienna, as we saw, was almost taken and saved by the Christian army under the command of the King of Poland on a date that ought to be among the most famous in history-- September 11, 1683.

The Great Heresies by Hilaire Belloc (Sheed and ward, 1938), pg. 70-71.

The Turks' Prayer against the Christians

Eternal God and creator of all things, and thou O Mahomet his sacred and divine prophet. We beseech thee let us not dread the Christians, who are so mean and silly to rely on a crucified god.

By the power of thy right hand, so strengthen ours that we may surround this foolish people, on every side, and utterly destroy them. At length fulfill our prayers and put these miscreants into our hands, that we may establish thy throne for ever in Mecca, and sacrifice all those enemies of our most holy religion at thy tomb.

Blow us with thy mighty breath like swarms of flies into their quarters, and let the eyes of these infidels bedazelled with the lustre of our moon. Consume them with thy fiery darts, and blind them with the dust which they themselves have raised.

Destroy them all in thine anger. Break all their bones in pieces, and consume the flesh and blood of those who defile thy sacrifice, and hang the sacred light of circumcision on their cross.

Wash them with showers of many waters, who are so stupid to worship gods they know not: and make their Christ a son to that God who ne're begot him.

Hasten therefore their destruction we humbly entreat thee, and blot out their name and religion, which they glory so much in, from off the face of the earth, that they may be no more, who condemn and mock at thy law.

Amen.

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers." (5:49, Quran)

"Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (48:29, Quran)

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and pay the alms-tax, let them go their way. Allah is forgiving and merciful." (9:4, Quran)

41 posted on 01/11/2002 5:54:34 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; Islamic_violence
This exellent history of Islam needs to go on the Islamic_violence list. Some of the items not noted in the article is the common gang rape of young non Islamic women by young Muslim men in many nations which have recieved a large number of Islamic immigrants. I believe Australia has had a few of these. Thanks to you and your wife for posting this.

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Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

42 posted on 01/11/2002 6:30:45 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
newcomers have the option to adopt the key tenets of our culture, while retaining the non-conflicting aspects of their own

When they do that, they are good immigrants. Many don't, they want to retain everything of their own culture. We have people in this city who have lived over 20 years here and have made no effort to even learn the language of this country and they don't seem to care about it's Constitution or history either. Just the money.

43 posted on 01/11/2002 7:21:51 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; shaggy eel
Thought provoking post, Byron.

What a sad day for the Civilized World, though -- and for FRee Republic's civilized discourse upon the range of subjects pertinent to our advancement when the non-contributing, free-loading, parasitical representatives of the dead and decadent eurotrash's endemically-alcoholic self-appointed lunatic soccer-hooligan fringe pulled on its collective bovver boots and began to flog their second-handed toby jugs, t-shirts and poofter bags and to otherwise generally disrupt and bring their envy-motivated and hatred and rage-engined venom and spleen to our beforehereto most pleasant and enjoyable exchanges.

Best, however, to leave the poor bastards [Mostly of the Whining-Pommy variety] to themselves and pray they will go off and mutter among themselves somewhere else.

44 posted on 01/11/2002 7:32:40 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"You could say, 'Byron, sorry I trolled through the whole piece in a search for one sentence to hang some PC fingerpointing on. My ability to actually digest and reflect on deeper articles is limited, because I went to a state school in California. Hope you understand.' "

Exactly!

We must be doing something right here, or we would not have so many of these blubbering leftists slopping their nose drips on the page.

45 posted on 01/11/2002 7:49:03 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Brian Allen
!      :-)
46 posted on 01/11/2002 7:55:13 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Scally Wag; jjbrouwer
Unfortunatly it has become obvious that some FReepers are just out to discredit anything and everything regarding the UK, no matter what the subject, these people I wouldn't miss.

I agree. Im a little tired of the constant whinging from some freepers.

47 posted on 01/11/2002 8:14:18 AM PST by klee
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To: klee
I'm a little tired of the constant whinging from some freepers.

Either that or you get some Aussie Care in the Community basket case like 'Brain' Allen gibbering on about pommy poofters. Everyone knows the Brits could kick the Aussies' crim ar*ses anytime we wanted.
48 posted on 01/11/2002 8:24:44 AM PST by jjbrouwer
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To: klee;jjbrouwer
What a sad day for the Civilized World, though --

When some adjective spewing aussie tries to call us whinging pommies

49 posted on 01/11/2002 8:36:19 AM PST by Scally Wag
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To: Brian Allen
As promised...


50 posted on 01/11/2002 8:39:11 AM PST by jjbrouwer
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To: jjbrouwer; scally wag
Either that or you get some Aussie Care in the Community basket case like 'Brain' Allen gibbering on about pommy poofters. Everyone knows the Brits could kick the Aussies' crim ar*ses anytime we wanted.

They released him into the commuity?

Im sick of being called a pommy whinger too. At the very least they can get my nationality right.

51 posted on 01/11/2002 8:59:24 AM PST by klee
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To: American in Israel
I believe in some form of evolution( though the current theory is very flawed) and I don't hate Christians and Jews. Don't lump us together with commies nazis and fundis plz.
52 posted on 01/11/2002 11:36:54 AM PST by weikel
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To: editor-surveyor; Byron_the_Aussie; shaggy eel
A couple of unsolicited FRee Republic mail from a tiny part of the Eurotrash's full-time FRee Republic disrupting endemically alcoholic soocer hooligan unwashed noises off self-appointed lunatic left-wing fringe. [Almost makes me want to be an Aussie!]

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re: your gibbering post earlier. You are probably the poofter, especially if you are an Aussie. And it is Ivan that flogs his poxy mugs on FRee Republic's site, not me.

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53 posted on 01/11/2002 11:40:25 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: American in Israel
Leftist is a religion, just as demanding and destructive as Islam.

Good line from an incredible post!

But as inaccurate as the rest of your post is pithy and precise!

For neither leftism nor the bloody blasphemy practiced by the death and destruction worshipping followers of derr fuerher Mohammed [Upon whom the prophet Hitler surely patterned his version of the same leftist Evil] are "religions."

Both of them, rather, are psychopathological conditions in their conception and in their manifestation!

54 posted on 01/11/2002 11:59:49 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Thanks very much for the bump. It's a very well written and documented letter, which point out the ignorance of the PC crowd, and the media.I beleive the biggest problem of Islam, is it teaches values of the 14th century, and is not suited for the 21st century, and it's technology, and the value of work ethics(the Saudis are a good example, they don't produce much goods/services, except oil, and children, and think work is demeaning).
55 posted on 01/11/2002 12:53:39 PM PST by desertcry
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To: onyx
...I hope his letter was read throughout Australia, and thanks for posting it here!...

Unfortunately not, Onyx. Quadrant is a rather obscure political magazine with a fairly limited readership in terms of numbers. Upside is that most political journos and activists read it so it has an influence well beyond the bare subscriber figures. I'm looking forward to the response to this letter in the January issue.

56 posted on 01/11/2002 12:57:55 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Madame Dufarge
..why, only a few more generations of victims of "diversity" training, and we'll all be exactly alike...

Exactly. I would argue that multiculturalism will mean the death of cultural diversity, because concomitant with the libs' push for multiculturalism is the message that the host culture is of lesser value than the introduced one.

57 posted on 01/11/2002 1:04:42 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Brian Allen;klee;jjbrouwer
,,, NEWSFLASH: CONGRATULATIONS!!! BINGO!!! DING, DING, DING...

You lucky contestants have just won an all expenses paid seven day vacation in the Gaza Strip. Forget Vegas! You've made it! You lucky devils. Yes, start packing now. There's never been a better time to kick back and take it easy....

58 posted on 01/11/2002 1:07:11 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Please post the response here! Okay?
59 posted on 01/11/2002 1:07:18 PM PST by onyx
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To: He Rides A White Horse; okiedust; jwalsh07; Lazarus Long; aruanan; Harrison Bergeron; dead...
FYI.
60 posted on 01/11/2002 1:08:59 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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