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NASA extinguishes global-warming fire
Washington Times ^ | 2/3/02 | Patrick Michaels

Posted on 02/03/2002 8:09:01 AM PST by Ranger

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:37:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It really happened. The NASA scientist who lit the bonfire of the global warming vanities with his flamboyant congressional testimony 14 years ago, has turned the hose on its dying embers.

There is now no reason for the Bush administration to give an inch on climate change. Sure, energy efficient technologies (like my Honda hybrid) are worth exploring. But there is absolutely no scientific reason for any expensive policy like the Kyoto Protocol on global warming. Mr. Bush led the world by being the first to walk away from Kyoto, and science has proven him correct.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: cfcs; globalwarminghoax; hanson; kyoto; kyotoprotocol; kyototreaty; nasa
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1 posted on 02/03/2002 8:09:01 AM PST by Ranger
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To: Ranger
BUMP!
2 posted on 02/03/2002 8:21:51 AM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: Ranger
Great Post. All the recent speaches by "Future Demo Presidential Candidates" have been heavily laced with a call for renewables (expensive and unreliable) and heavy emphasis on conversation.

These idiotic ideas are based on the following fallacies:
a. Zero population growth.
b. Zero immigration.
c. Zero new construction.
d. Zero increase in manufacturing, chemical and fertilizer production.
e. Immediate production of fuel cell vehicle at a competitive price and safety record.
g. Immediate construction of solar and wind generators a competitive prices ($.04 per kilowatt hr).

None of the above will happen for obvious reasons. Telling Americans they can solve an energy shortage by using less, is like telling Somali's they can solve a food shortage by eating less.

3 posted on 02/03/2002 8:24:13 AM PST by BOBTHENAILER
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To: Ranger
Climate models, such as those run by NASA, initially assumed that the sensitivity was much larger than it was in reality

In the real world, this is known as GIGO (garbage in, garbage out).
Anybody with half a brain and a chart of temperature fluctuations for all of pre-industrial history derived from any method whatsoever, can see that attempting to segregate "human influence" is a fool's errand.
In every case the indicated variability in temperature that can be plainly seen is orders of magnitude greater than any scientifically explained change.

The touchy-feelie crowd, with its mission to control the rest of us by whatever means possible, just won't give up.
Socialism by any other name...

I do wish I knew who the socialist genius was who initially suggested that political change and wealth redistribution be effected by appealing to our fear of "saving" the planet.
Appealing to the inevitable fear of the ignorant was truly a stroke of genius.

4 posted on 02/03/2002 8:25:08 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Ranger
bump
5 posted on 02/03/2002 8:26:40 AM PST by VOA
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To: Ranger
Big News! ***Bump***
7 posted on 02/03/2002 8:35:25 AM PST by demkicker
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To: Ranger
Unfortunatly the average American will never hear about this, and those who believe in global warming that do hear about it will dismiss it.
8 posted on 02/03/2002 8:47:23 AM PST by Hugin
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To: Ranger
I see by some of the posts that we all shared some skepticism about Hanson's initial claims of global warming.

If it was budgetary or political (it could not have been simple stupidity), why did so many people buy it when someone like myself whose understanding of meteorology goes no further than the simplest of local weather forecasts doubted its veracity from the beginning?

9 posted on 02/03/2002 8:47:38 AM PST by Lady Jag
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To: Ranger
Outstanding Find. Bookmarked and Bumped.

One of the biggest debacles of the "Global Warming" hoax was the CFC phony scientific ban. CFC's were inexpensive, and WORKED! Once the CFC's were banned we have a much less efficient system of cooling or refrigeration, at a much higher price. Nobody could PROVE a thing, but the junk science machine kept eating at the edges until people believed it. This is exactly what the damn greens wanted, as deep down inside they are simply Luddites in "save the earth" clothing.

Keep the Faith for Freedom

MAY GOD BLESS AND PROTECT THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC

Greg

10 posted on 02/03/2002 8:54:36 AM PST by gwmoore
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To: sciencediet
The history of this "debate" goes back to the early 60's when the Democrats began losing congressional seats in oil producing states. When "Big Oil" (like Big Tobbaco after them) began making larger campaign donations to the more business-friendly Republicans than to the diminishing 'dixiecrats' (just as happened later with tobbaco) the Dems party leaders switched into Demonization mode and started the "Get Oil Out" campaign. This, of course, was cloaked in the resectable flag of the infant conservation movement and abetted by the traitors who saw America's energy superiority as a threat to the Communist revolution they so dearly hoped would overtake the west. The current Global Warming ploy was to have the same effect of hurting domestic oil producers (and therefore consumers) to the point that 1) when in power Republicans would find it hard to openly accept "oil money" and 2) when Dems are in power they would be the happy recieptiants of oil company 'protection money' to keep the most Draconian of possible laws at bay!
In short...FOLLOW THE MONEY!
11 posted on 02/03/2002 9:32:43 AM PST by cartoonistx
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To: Ranger
This is very big news.

It should be heavily publicized. Rush Limbaugh might have a few environmental wacko comments as well. How do we make sure he hears about it?

12 posted on 02/03/2002 9:55:59 AM PST by EternalHope
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To: cartoonistx
FOLLOW THE MONEY!

This is truly deep. No wonder no one has come up with a way to fix it.

13 posted on 02/03/2002 9:58:32 AM PST by Lady Jag
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To: Ranger
SUPER ROFLOL BUMP!

Greenie's I feel your pain....boo hoo..

14 posted on 02/03/2002 10:31:38 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Ranger
GASP!! What will poor Al Gore do now? Just sit around and watch his beard grow?
15 posted on 02/03/2002 10:35:41 AM PST by Allegra
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To: Ranger
Back in the 1940's and early 50's the great astronomers thought they had a good understanding of our solar system. According to predictions based on it's albedo (the percentage of light reflected) and distance from the sun, Venus should have had a surface temperature a few degrees warmer than Earth. Venus is closer to the sun, and therefore it receives more energy per square meter than the earth, but it reflects 70% of the sun's light due to the cloud cover.

Along comes a guy named Velikovsky, who published two books: Worlds in Collision, and Earth in Upheaval.

In these books, Velikovsky argues that Venus is a new member of our solar system, born in a gigantic cataclysm that occurred not in the distant geological past, but within human history. Velikovsky boldly predicts that Venus is still cooling off, but should have a surface temperature hot enough to melt lead (if his thesis is correct). Velikovsky is mocked and reviled by the scientific community, but in 1954 the first microwave temperature measurements prove him right.

The scientists knew that their theories of our solar system's evolution could not account for the temperature on Venus, and to allow any consideration of a cataclysmic explanation would have supported Velikovsky. They had to produce a theory to explain the high temperature, that also allowed Venus to be as old as the rest of the planets. Eventually, they produced a theory that blamed the CO2 which makes up 96% of the Venusian atmosphere. This was the "greenhouse" effect.

It was this theory that started all of the worry about earth's "greenhouse" gasses like CO2 and methane, but few are willing to go back and reconsider the data from Venus, and wether it supports this theory. For any who are interested, here is a link:

Venus temperature

Velikovsky died in 1979, and although his books once made the best seller lists, they are no longer in print.

16 posted on 02/03/2002 11:26:28 AM PST by e_engineer
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To: JoeEveryman
6 - "Think about how NASA always...ALWAYS...timed their Shuttle missions to coincide with Congressional appropriations issues...and how they always...ALWAYS...found furthering evidence of global warming, or Ozone depletion...or some such nonsense, to grandize their necessity for more funds to study the matter..."

Sorry, I can't this ignorant crap be posted without posting the truth, by someone who worked on the Shuttle lauches.

1. NASA missions are timed to heavenly body locations and technical and construction capabilities and money - often years in advance, so that often very small windows of a few days or even in some cases a few hours, can be met. And it is really tough to meet those schedules, let alone to schedule for politics.

2. As for global warming, NASA has been the one who has been saying for the last several years, they find no evidence of global warming from their satelites. The global warming crowd has gotten it's data from ground temperature stations, which once were out in the country, and which now, because of population growth, are in the city.

NASA does need conogressional support though, and has stupidly spread design and construction jobs around the country to garner congressional support, and as such has wasted a tremendous amount of money building a space station which is years and years late and so far under initial concept capabilities that it is essentially worthless.

17 posted on 02/03/2002 11:39:35 AM PST by XBob
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To: Ranger
So, in his last paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences,
Mr. Hansen and Makiko Sato wrote,....


For those posters/lurkers who were smart enough to not get a degree in the physical sciences...
"Proceedings" (also known under the acronym of PNAS) is just about as good as
it gets in terms of peer-reviewed journals of science.
I've helped review/edit a number of papers for review/publication by PNAS and
the standards are STRINGENT.

(Yep, some junk does get by the reviewers now and then...but it's a low percentage deal.)
18 posted on 02/03/2002 12:02:35 PM PST by VOA
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To: JoeEveryman
Bump
20 posted on 02/03/2002 12:21:51 PM PST by madfly
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To: B4Ranch; It'salmosttolate; ChaseR; alphadog; TrueBeliever9; MichaelRivero...
ping
21 posted on 02/03/2002 12:27:02 PM PST by madfly
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To: marsh2; dixiechick2000; Helen; Mama_Bear; poet; Grampa Dave; doug from upland; WolfsView...
ping
22 posted on 02/03/2002 12:39:03 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
The Kyoto Protocol had little to do with "protecting the earth" and everything to do with consolidation of control.
Bush and his advisors just weren't stupid enough to play their game.
23 posted on 02/03/2002 12:51:36 PM PST by freefly
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To: Ranger
bttt
24 posted on 02/03/2002 12:53:07 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: madfly
thanks for the flag
25 posted on 02/03/2002 12:53:38 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: Ranger
Excellent post. Here's the REAL question: What is the NEXT catastrophe the left will generate to encourage government control over the economy and people's freedom? My guess, either overpopulation (the AIDS epidemic already looks like a bust) or global COOLING. Of course, both of these are retreads of earlier scare attempts, but the socialists need some issue to pump up the UN role and to condemn the capitalist US for.
26 posted on 02/03/2002 1:10:02 PM PST by Faraday
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To: freefly
December 30, 2001 Posted: 2:05 AM EST (0705 GMT)

CNN LINK

JAPAN CASTS ASIDE KYOTO AGREEMENT REPORT
TOKYO, Japan --Japan has effectively abandoned the Kyoto Protocol limiting greenhouse gas emissions, according to a report released Sunday.

Japanese industry groups have forced the government to drop mandatory restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions under the Kyoto agreement, making it unlikely Tokyo will be able to meet its reduction targets, the Yomiuri newspaper said.

The decision by an Environment Ministry policy board, under pressure from corporate lobbies, to impose only voluntary limits on carbon dioxide emissions would spell doom for Japan's six percent reduction goal. The newspaper quoted an unidentified member of the panel, which is drafting Japan's strategy to fight global warming, as saying there is nothing in its upcoming report that directly commits companies to cut back on polluting.

Economic slump blamed
Reducing emissions by 6 percent from the benchmark year of 1990 will be all the more formidable for Japan because the nation's carbon dioxide levels have risen about 17 percent over the past decade.

The nation's deep economic slump is also likely to make corporate Japan fight harder against any measures that increase the costs of production.

Japan plans to ratify the international treaty on global warming in June, 2002 during its regular session of Parliament.

Seeing the protocol to fruition is a matter of national pride for Japan, which basked in the international attention of brokering the deal in 1997.

However, after the United States pulled out of the pact in March, Japan questioned whether there was any meaning in ratifying it without the world's biggest industrial power -- and polluter -- on board.

Japan's decision to ratify the protocol came in November, months after European nations had collectively announced they would approve the treaty even without Washington's participation.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


27 posted on 02/03/2002 1:24:50 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
BUMP
28 posted on 02/03/2002 1:28:35 PM PST by madfly
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To: Ranger
BTTT
29 posted on 02/03/2002 1:30:44 PM PST by hattend
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To: Ranger
Bump
30 posted on 02/03/2002 1:37:02 PM PST by madfly
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To: Mike Darancette
DANG IT!

I wanted backyard palm trees and my own flock of flamingos.

31 posted on 02/03/2002 1:41:43 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
LOL
32 posted on 02/03/2002 1:42:45 PM PST by madfly
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To: Ranger
Here's why it's nice to get paid by the word.

"unwarranted economic disaster for no good reason."

If it's unwarranted, then it follows it is for no good reason.
If it is for no good reason, it is unwarranted.  But when
they pay you by the word....pad that baby  :)

33 posted on 02/03/2002 1:45:44 PM PST by gcruse
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To: Ranger
Bump for later laughter.
34 posted on 02/03/2002 1:51:17 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: madfly
Wow, honesty from the person who started this nonsense. Wha happened?
35 posted on 02/03/2002 1:51:43 PM PST by poet
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To: madfly
Thanks for the heads up!
36 posted on 02/03/2002 2:22:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I think there are 3 threads on this...I'm lost! :o) er, make that lost in the ozone, hehe
37 posted on 02/03/2002 2:24:52 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Here are the other two:

Additional Thread by Convertiblefirebird

Here's another one, by Cincinitus Wife

38 posted on 02/03/2002 2:34:42 PM PST by madfly
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To: Ranger;Global Warming Hoax
I think even the National Geographic is getting the news!

Feb 2002 issue contains a map of Antarctica and very little regarding Global warming!

To find all articles tagged or indexed using Global Warming Hoax

Click here: Global Warming Hoax

39 posted on 02/03/2002 2:34:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: madfly
Thanks for the links!!!
40 posted on 02/03/2002 2:37:37 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: madfly
Can't wait to see a satirical piece titled:

Global Whiners told to "SHUT UP"

41 posted on 02/03/2002 2:38:02 PM PST by madfly
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To: Hugin
Unfortunatly the average American will never hear about this, and those who believe in global warming that do hear about it will dismiss it.

Just as we've yet to hear about the bogus scare of an AIDS epidemic among heterosexuals. It was never going to happen but the fear mongerers and those who profitted from saying it would were able spread a false alarm among the general populace. Have we ever heard an explanation about why the disease wasn't spread? No. That would expose those that spread the message as either ignorant or fraudulent. So we are left to sit in increasing cynicasm while the perps move on to even nastier rapes of the public trust. How many who lost someone dear on 9/11 are ready to throttle the leaders of the United Way or Red Cross who so eagerly stepped out to raise money in their names then keep it for themselves without distributing it? How many of us who gave money feel betrayed by those and other organizations who bilk our money in ways hardly different from common confidence artists? Not holding the leftwing flim-flam crowd responsible for their nonsense is a sure-fire recipe for societal suicide.

42 posted on 02/03/2002 3:06:27 PM PST by laredo44
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To: poet
Guess he's not a politician, eh??
43 posted on 02/03/2002 3:24:27 PM PST by brityank
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To: e_engineer
"In these books, Velikovsky argues that Venus is a new member of our solar system, born in a gigantic cataclysm that occurred not in the distant geological past, but within human history. Velikovsky boldly predicts that Venus is still cooling off, but should have a surface temperature hot enough to melt lead (if his thesis is correct). Velikovsky is mocked and reviled by the scientific community, but in 1954 the first microwave temperature measurements prove him right.

"The scientists knew that their theories of our solar system's evolution could not account for the temperature on Venus, and to allow any consideration of a cataclysmic explanation would have supported Velikovsky. They had to produce a theory to explain the high temperature, that also allowed Venus to be as old as the rest of the planets. Eventually, they produced a theory that blamed the CO2 which makes up 96% of the Venusian atmosphere. This was the "greenhouse" effect."

Oh, puhleeeze.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Velikovsky was a loon. He exemplifies the danger when an expert in one field comes to believe he is an expert in all fields.

Velikovsky was quite thoroughly dispatched by Isaac Asimov in his essay, Worlds in Confusion.

Velikovsky (I am working from memory here) claimed that Venus had an atmosphere made of hydrocarbons. This is false.

He could not account for the lack of eccentricity in Venus' orbit.

He could not explain why Venus' orbit follows the Bode-Titus law.

And, most laughable of all, Velikovsky admitted his theories were incompatible with Newton's Laws of Motion, and then recommended that Newton be revised to match his (Velikovsky's) theories!

--Boris

44 posted on 02/03/2002 3:25:15 PM PST by boris
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To: JoeEveryman
NASA always...ALWAYS...timed their Shuttle missions to coincide with Congressional appropriations issues

Simple circumstance. However, putting a teacher and congressman or 2 on the shuttle flight schedule was pure politics.

47 posted on 02/03/2002 6:54:18 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: e_engineer
they are no longer in print

That's too bad. They are goldmines of good info, even if the conclusions are a stretch.

48 posted on 02/03/2002 6:56:36 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: madfly
Thank you Bump.
49 posted on 02/03/2002 7:00:53 PM PST by brityank
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To: JoeEveryman
Joe,

Indeed, your statements are succinct, and I believe very accurate.

Maybe NASA will re-think and allow TAXPAYERS(BTW: who paid Russians) for a lift to the International (choke..choke...U$ paid) Station and stop political pay-offs for a$$holes like J. Glenn.

50 posted on 02/03/2002 7:14:36 PM PST by Atilla_the_Hun
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