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Chinese Explorers 'Discovered America' [ ! ]
Straights Times Europe Bureau ^ | Alfred Lee

Posted on 03/07/2002 7:00:38 PM PST by ex-Texan

Chinese explorers 'discovered America'

By Alfred Lee

STRAITS TIMES EUROPE BUREAU

LONDON - When explorer Christopher Columbus landed in America in 1492, he was 72 years behind a Chinese expeditionary force, which had already made its way to the area.

And although Captain James Cook was credited with discovering Australia for the British Empire in 1770, the Chinese had mapped the island continent 337 years earlier.

Sailing in 1,000-foot-long ships with nine massive junk-style sails, the Chinese also circumnavigated the world a century before explorer Ferdinand Magellan's epic journey, and reached South America.

These disclosures are at the centre of findings that British historian and map expert Gavin Menzies will disclose to the prestigious Royal Geographical Society (RGS) at a conference next week.

The former Royal Navy submarine commander will be speaking to more than 200 diplomats, historians and academics from around the world, including from the United States, Australia and South America.

The audience at the March 15 conference will also include top navigators and chart makers.

An unprecedented 85 per cent of RGS members who have received an outline of Mr Menzies' findings, which follow 14 years of research, have already booked their seats.

Mr Menzies said the Chinese discoveries were made by ships of the Emperor Zhui Di.

The fleet, under the command of top Chinese admiral Zheng He, set sail in the early 1420s to bring back treasures from foreign lands.

The ships were the best and the fleet the biggest in the world at the time.

At the RGS conference, Mr Menzies will unveil literary and archaeological evidence that the Chinese ships, using accurate star charts for navigation, circum-navigated the world.

The evidence includes travel manuscripts, including maps, written in 1434 by Venetian merchant Nicolo da Conti, who was aboard one of the Chinese vessels.

The Venetian wrote that he sailed from China to a great land mass to the south - Mr Menzies will present evidence that this was the continent known today as Australia.

Other maps made by officers on the admiral's ships include those of America, the Cape of Good Hope and the Straits of Magellan, which links the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

'The writings and logs of Christopher Columbus, James Cook and Ferdinand Magellan acknowledge they had and used maps,' Mr Menzies said.

'The question is: Who drew those maps? The answer is: The Chinese, who were the first to rule the oceans, with Zheng He's ships, each crewed by 500 or more men.'


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; chinastuff; clashofcivilizatio; communistsubversion; gavinmenzies; godsgravesglyphs; historylist; nativeamerican; navigation; zanupf
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1 posted on 03/07/2002 7:00:38 PM PST by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan
mindblowing.
2 posted on 03/07/2002 7:03:07 PM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: ex-Texan
Does this mean that Australia is now part of Red China?
3 posted on 03/07/2002 7:03:26 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: ex-Texan
Yeah, they claim they discovered spaghetti, too.
4 posted on 03/07/2002 7:03:46 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: ex-Texan
Breaking news? This was posted on FR a few days ago. I'll see if I can find it in the Archives.
5 posted on 03/07/2002 7:04:34 PM PST by blam
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To: ex-Texan
BTTT
6 posted on 03/07/2002 7:04:52 PM PST by FreeLibertarian
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To: ex-Texan
Thousand foot-long ships!!! Never heard of such a thing that far back. Had they the expansionist bent, Chinese and not Europeans might largely comprise population of the North American continent. I've nothing against the Chinese people per se (although their government is another matter), but I'm rather glad things didn't go that way.

Interesting post. Thanks.

8 posted on 03/07/2002 7:07:28 PM PST by fire and forget
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To: ex-Texan
Ancient Commie secret trick. Claim to have invented everything in sight and from the past.
9 posted on 03/07/2002 7:08:16 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: d4now
I know you like archeology posts ping.
10 posted on 03/07/2002 7:08:41 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: ex-Texan
Don't forget all the fortune cookies the crew of Apollo 11 found scattered around Tranquility Base.
11 posted on 03/07/2002 7:09:12 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: big ern
A lot of this is probably exagarrations and sensationalist history, but China DID HAVE the world's premier navy during the 14th and 15th century. Isolationist policies put a total end to it though.
14 posted on 03/07/2002 7:11:28 PM PST by ChicagoRepublican
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To: blam
Cool, too cool.

Can this be true? Sounds rather fantastic.

15 posted on 03/07/2002 7:12:25 PM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: ex-Texan
OK. Well, I have read the Vikings were here long before the first ships arrived from Spain. Also read reports that the wreckage of ancient Egyptian ships and ancient Roman ships have been found off the coast of South America. Ancient Egyptian artifacts have been found at the headwaters of the Mississippi River .... I have seen stone carvings from the U.K. which lay claims that King Arthur II was killed in America by hostile 'Indians' who had filled his body with arrows. And there are reports that some of Jesus' apostles traveled to Ireland .....

Perhaps our understanding of history is just beginning.

16 posted on 03/07/2002 7:12:40 PM PST by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan
Explorer From China Who 'Beat Columbus To America' (Previous posting)
17 posted on 03/07/2002 7:12:51 PM PST by blam
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To: ex-Texan
Oh yeah?

If that's true, how come we didn't have Chinese restaurants
here before the 19th century?

Lying  %#@^&%'s

18 posted on 03/07/2002 7:14:39 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
Does this mean that Australia is now part of Red China?

Judging from the way the government works down there, yeah, I think it does.

19 posted on 03/07/2002 7:15:37 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: blam
bad link ..... Also I performed a search before I posted.
20 posted on 03/07/2002 7:16:09 PM PST by ex-Texan
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