Posted on 04/11/2002 5:40:38 AM PDT by gunnyg
Marines, Not Soldiers
Published: Jan 28, 2002
I have a complaint about some of the news readers for the local television stations, and I am sure there are countless other Marines with the same one.
It is galling to hear the news readers referring to Marines as ``soldiers.''
Marines are not soldiers; they are Marines and always will be. There is no such thing as an ex-Marine or a former Marine. We are all ``Marines,'' period.
Soldiers are members of the Army and sailors are members of the Navy. You wouldn't call a soldier a sailor, so why would you call a Marine a soldier?
Marines are chosen because of their ability to be more than just an average service man or woman. They deserve to be called what they are, and not soldiers. Semper Fi, Mac.<
TONY FAGGIONETampa
by
Semper Fidelis
R.W. "Dick" Gaines
GySgt USMC (Ret.)
1952-72
Notice the Rummy, a Marine himself, is putting Marines in charge of commmands around the world?
Actually, Bush is. But bet he is getting the thumbs up from Rummy.
Gunny G's "SOLDIERS OF THE SEA"
DON'T YOU DARE CALL ME A SOLDIER!!!
Marines' sites and bulletin boards on the Internet are nothing short of amazing regarding what many do not know about Marine Corps history and traditions.
There are numerous cases where Marines--some of them even senior enlisted Marines and officers--post and respond to downright erroneous information demonstrating a definite lack of knowledge on various topics of Marine Corps interest. I have addressed several of these individual topics elsewhere on Gunny G's.
Perhaps, some independent study would be in order--better start at the top.
One random example, among many I have noticed, are several items lately where Marines are lambasting someone or other on the subject of one's having dared to refer to a Marine, or Marines, using the term "soldier."
With righteous indignation they scream that they are Marines, not soldiers, and they decry those who call them such! And rightfully so, in some cases, where the media or an individual, whatever, is using that term within an inappropriate context.
Of course, they (both the writer and the Marine) are acting out of their own lack of knowlege.
The user of the term "soldier" is not aware that he should generally refer to all Marines as "Marines"; and the Marine is very likely ignorant of the fact that the word "soldier" is also correct, in some cases.
Members of our sister-service, for example, the U.S. Army, are soldiers, that is their name, but Marines are not soldiers in that sense at all. I am referring to Marines as soldiers in a much broader, higher sense, as a class of soldier that goes to the root of what a Marine is and does.
Reminds me of an oft-times repeated story of a U.S. Army major visiting the wounded in a WWI French hospital in 1918. As the story goes, the major asked a young soldier if he was indeed an American. "No sir," he replied, "I'm a Marine."
(Ref US Marine Corps In World war I 1917-1918, Osprey, by Henry/Pavlovic, 1999)
Such it is that Marines have always exemplified the inherent pride in their identity as a member of the MarineCorps.
But, many Marines seem to be unaware of the fact that the Marine Corps itself, as well as individual Marines, has long referred with pride to themselves as soldiers. To be sure, we are, each of us, a United States Marine, that is our TITLE, earned and claimed by us all as the capstone of that which we are. But somewhere within that coveted title lies the soldier referred to in the following examples.
One dictionary defines the word Marine as, an infantry soldier associated with a navy. No doubt there are many references to the Royal Marines as soldiers back through history. But we need not go back that far. Our own U.S. Marine Corps has a long listing of examples supporting the notion of Marines as soldiers.
A U.S. Marine Corps Recruiting Service poster, dated May 1866, announces that it is seeking MEN for its ranks; it then goes on to refer to such recruits as SOLDIERS no less than six times, and not once using the word Marine or Marines!
(Ref the book, The Marines, by Simmons/Moskin, Marine Corps Heritage Foundation, 1998)
And there is the USMC Recruiting Poster of more recent vintage, shown at the top of this page.
And, in the book, Marine Corps Book of Lists, by Nofi, Combined Publishing, 1997, the following.
"The Marines are both soldiers and sailors, a part of the sea services." (Page 154)
"Some Marine Wisdom on Soldiering" 'To be a sergeant, you have to show your stuff. I'd rather be an outstanding sergeant than just another officer," -GySgt Dan Daly (Page 159)
"Soldiers trained in the ways of the sea," -CMC, BGen Benjamin H. Fuller, c. 1934 (Page 181)
"A Dozen Nicknames For Marines" 2. "The Soldiers of the Sea, a traditional term for Marines dating back at least to the seventeenth century." (Page 180)
"The finest soldier any captain could wish to have," said of Dan Daly by BGen W.P. Upshur (Page 182)
The book, "Soldiers of the Sea: The U.S. Marine Corps," by Col Robert D. Heinl USMC (Ret.), Annapolis, 1962
The play, (and later, two films) "What Price Glory," by Andersen/Shillings, 1926, has numerous references to Marines as soldiers.
"He turned down the gold bars of a second lieutenant. 'I'm a plain soldier,' he said, 'and I want to stay one.'"
-GySgt John Basilone
(Ref John Basilone --Italian-American Hero
www.cimorelli.com/pie/heroes/basilone.htm)
Chapter XX, page 69,The United States Marine Corps in the World War, by Major Edwin N. McClellan, USMC,1920, Historical Branch, HQMC, Wash, DC
"In recent years the Marine Corps has devoted a great deal of time and energy to rifle practice, believing that one of the first requirements of a soldier is to know how to shoot...."
And many more references can be found, but suffice to say, for the purpose of my little spiel here, that these few examples should establish that the use of "soldier" was long commonly in use in the Corps.
The U. S. Marine Corps has a long and glorious history. There is no need to be "touchy" as to being referred to as a soldier, even when the person speaking is not totally aware of all involved in the fact he is alluding to.
Rather, be yourself informed of what is so and what isn't, through your own research and studies. Nor is it of any benefit to deride those of other services, as is a common practice-- doing so merely reveals your own ignorance, and it belittles our Corps.
As one old poster states, "Be a Marine!"
Semper Fidelis
Dick Gaines CLICK-HERE!
Think you may need more than 'spellcheck'. . .
EEEEEEEEEEEEEE
That grates.
Marine Corps troops are known as "MARINES"!!
Walt
. . .a 'clarity bump' for the 'soldier within'. . .
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Well, for starters most News readers share an IQ. Almost without exception none have ever served a day in the military. Dan Blather claims to be a Marine but failed to make it thru basic at PI (medical discharge, I believe). Charlie Gibson, GMA host at ABC, and sometime News reader served in the Coast Guard reserve. They are the only exceptions that come to mind. The rest of the liberal News reader crowd, who all voted for Clinton, except Peter Jennings who couldn't because he's a Canadian, feel the same way about the military as Clinton ... they abhor it.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Good answer wku man.
From another old cavalry scout,
SCOUTS OUT!
1. Marines carry brief cases.
2. Soldiers carry attaché cases.
3. The Navy carries the load.
I could add, "and bugs out like at Guadalcanal"...but I won't....
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