Posted on 06/02/2002 1:18:09 PM PDT by Siobhan
The Vatican doesn't release autopsy results, on any pope.
Men in their sixties do die of heart attacks.
And everything is not a conspiracy.
I'm not catholic, but I have a tremendous amount of affection for this pope, I pray that God grants him relief and comfort.
I read the book and I think it makes an excellent charcoal starter. The Abbe de Nantes (Catholic Counter Reformation in the 20th Century)also thinks he was murdered. So, from the non-Catholic left to the extreme, insane, schismatic right, common ground can be found and comrades can embrace and unity of thought can be acheived - as long as the common enemy is the Papacy.
BTW, I know longer have the book but I recall MANY factual errors in the book
1. During the vacancy of the Apostolic See, the College of Cardinals has no power or jurisdiction in matters which pertain to the Supreme Pontiff during his lifetime or in the exercise of his office, such matters are to be reserved completely and exclusively to the future Pope. I therefore declare null and void any act of power or jurisdiction pertaining to the Roman Pontiff during his lifetime or in the exercise of his office which the College of Cardinals might see fit to exercise, beyond the limits expressly permitted in this Constitution.
Long live potatos??
"Ich bin Ein Berliner"
I am a jelly donut.
We close our eyes at our own peril.
The Holy Father needs prayers not speculation on his retirement. I have a very visceral reaction to anyone trying to usher John Paul II out the door. In due time he will be known as John Paul the Great and perhaps St. John Paul the Great.I'd say his canonization is a virtual certainty. Even though I'm no longer a Catholic, I'd say he's one of the great men of the 20th Century. Reagan, Thatcher, and John Paul II were key players in destroying one of the great evils of our time, and doing so without fighting a shooting war.
That said, it's noteworthy that if he was still Karol Cardinal Wojtyla, he would be, at 82, no longer elgible to vote in Papal elections. His physical health is clearly very bad, and it's not a stretch to believe that the work he does he does at great physical cost.
If his mind is still sound (many reports say it is), the decision should be up to him. But perhaps those who care about the man should state that he's done his part, done it well, and there is no shame in stepping down to a more restful and contemplative life.
-Eric
I was referencing the author of the book as non-Catholic (which he is) and the Abbe de Nantes as representative of the insane, schismatic right and how they find common ground in their opposition to this Papacy. For the Abbe de Nantes, he is opposed to every Pope since Pius XII except for John Paul I who, the rumor-mongers say, was a living Saint that would have ended all corruption on Earth if only he hadn't been murdered by the evil, money-grubbing Curia made up of sodomites and Masons and Satanists.
I was not referring to you as either a non-Catholic or a schismatic nut. I replied to you because you cited that book which is a hodge-podge of innuendoes, rumors, dark hints, intrigue and all mannner of film noir cinema script clippings. It is useful for inflaming charcoal and the imaginations of those predisposed to think that Rome makes Byzantium seem, by comparison, as honest, straighforward and unassuming as Gary Cooper.
I bought the thing at a used book sale and read it and I treated it in the manner once suggested in a book review by Dorothy Parker; "This is not a book to be cast aside lightly. It should be tossed with great force."
Ignoring a gossip-mongering book penned by a tendentious non-Catholic does not equate to keeping our eyes closed
Ha! If you want to see Catholic tin-foil hat wearing, do a search for Veronica Leukin, a.k.a., the seer of Bayside. Wild stuff.
Surely you can't be so naive as to believe that all priests are holy and good by virtue of ordination? The recent scandals should serve to correct that erroneous belief. But even so, let's say some of these corrupt individuals did start out with good intentions. The money, the power, the prestige, the opportunity for sex, you name it,they faltered and fell. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to understand that men who are at risk of losing everything will go to any lengths possible to prevent it. That's not even factoring in the element of evil, which in my mind, is well established within Christ's Church. I am not willing to engage in spin and denial in order to defend some of the ludicrous statements and inaction that has come out of Rome as of late.
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