The White Van - Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?

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[LarryLied]

It may have been in our interest that the story was spiked and ridiculed. But then again, it may not have been.

The history of spying shows we probably won't know for decades what, if anything,happened.

[cake_crumb]

Interesting....in a thousand words or more, this story says...exactly nothing.

[DreamWeaver]

trolls like you to drive the best elements of the old FR away

I agree, and that is sad.

[LarryLied]

Interesting....in a thousand words or more, this story says...exactly nothing.

I suspect if those involved were not Israelis, no one would say that. That is what is curious about this topic.

[Poohbah]

For my part, I hope throwing threats of "legal action" around and posting childish countdown posts on threads wasn't a part of the "old FR".

You obviously missed the Jack Thompson threads...

[PoppingSmoke]

Someone needs to call the New Jersey State Police Superintendent and ask him if he still has the cruisers dash-cam recorder tape of the vehicle stop still locked in his safe?

[SerpentDove]

>> This statement says it all as to WHY they were there as in the last paragraph of the transcript. Document the event, they KNEW.<<

Oh, really? What about all the OTHER people who documented the event via camcorder, camera etc. ? I guess they all KNEW, too?

[spetznaz]

This post is meant for Mrustow, i just wanted you Ranger Samson to have a copy since it somehow concrened a post you posted.

Thanks for the link, but if YOU say that the post in question is on that thread, then YOU'RE going to have to give me a post number. I am not going to do your work, of slogging through 175 postsby:MRUSTOW

If you read my reply to your asinine statements (you had flamed me and called me a whole plethora of names without knowing even an iota of who i am....soon you will be calling other Jews neo-nazis)! Anyway if you read my post (no. 96) you will notice that i did not only provide a link to the post...but i also posted the particular post so that you would not go 'slogging through 175 posts.'

And by the way before you start calling people anti-Semite read the posts they have composed. Otherwise the senseless vitriol you spread reminds me of a certain Freeper (his name is Zionist Conspirator and you should also find him on that link I posted in post 96 and Ranger Samson posted in post 101). Both you and he seem quite apt to jump the gun and start calling people all sorts of obscenities if they say something you find 'undogestable!' And the funny thing (in your case) is that i really did not say anything to make you think i am anti-Israel! All i had said is that even though i am pro-Israel that does not mean i cannot squirm and react when and if Israel performs a boo-boo! However that automatically made you start gnashing your teeth and foaming at the mouth and calling me anti-Israel....and then saying that the reason you 'discovered' i am anti-Israel is because i referred to a link (the one on the USS Liberty) that 'did not exist!' Actually here are your own words:

I have to hand it to you -- you are much more sophisticated than the average anti-Semite. The cool, calm tone, the claim that you are interested in the facts, the subtle bending of reports. Where you screwed up was in conjuring up a phantom post re the U.S.S. Liberty. You got overambitious, and as a result, you got caught. Thus, I am giving you a "B" for anti-Semitic propaganda

Hmmmm....i guess that my 'phantom post' does actually exist! So you will have to come up with another 'formula' for catching anti-Semites since it seems your current methodology is open to human error...in this case a Freeper with atrophied intellectual acumen!

Who knows...maybe tomorrow you will be calling me a member of the KKK because your computer screen 'flickered' and that made you 'certain' you are in the presence of a KKK Freeper! Darn....i thought natural selection would have killed off people certain brands of slow logic! Or are you related to Zionist Conspirator and think i am a 'Masonic Warlock' who is a 'positivist heshemidivist' who is trying to spoil the chances of his acquiring a 'red heifer!'

I guess you need to tighten your tin-foil cap!

[philosofy123]

Anyone has a first hand information about the young Israelis art students, who visited many US cities, spying and collecting intelligence. There was a post on this forum a month or so ago; it claimed that they arrested 200 Israeli/Mosad "art students"?

[Rodney King]

Spetznaz produced a link and a post # that said exactly what he alleged. Are you going to retract your having called him a liar?

[Rodney King]

You're lying. I dare you to come up with the thread and post number. I know, I know, how could you possibly be expected to go that far back ... especially to a post that DOESN'T EXIST.

Mrustow, I guess you are just going to ignore the fact the spetznaz came up with the thread and post #? Nothing like just hoping a thread goes away when you ought to be apologizing.

[mrustow]

No, he didn't. But let's say he had. Are you in the habit of ganging up on someone who has been having a dispute with a third party whom you support, and demanding that he apologize? Because that's never worked with me. That's punk stuff. I hope you're not holding your breath, waiting for me to give in to your demand.

[LarryLied]

Anyone has a first hand information about the young Israelis art students, who visited many US cities, spying and collecting intelligence. There was a post on this forum a month or so ago; it claimed that they arrested 200 Israeli/Mosad "art students"?

Post on FR:

From Jane's Intelligence Review:

Allies and Espionage

Salon Magazine:

The Israeli "art student" mystery

Ha'aretz (Israeli newspaper):

Spies, or students? Israelis trying to sell paintings, or agents in an espionage ring?

Drudge Report/AP:

U.S. Deports Dozens of Israelis Amid Warnings of Espionage Activities

A story on the "Art Students" activity in South Florida was posted from the Florida Sun Sentinel but I can't find it.

[Rodney King]

Of course he did, I read it myself. And yes, I am in the habit of calling people on their rude behavior. When I call people liars and question their credibility and then am proven wrong, I apologize. It is the manly thing to do. Re-read the posts. He gave you a link and a post #. It directly backs up what he says. The post in question praises the Israelis for having the balls to attack the liberty. The record is clear. You are not man enough to apologize.

[Rodney King]

On another note, I would think that if his post did not back up his assertion, that you would have pointed it out. Instead you decided to run away. Why don't you quote the exchange and prove to everyone that you were justified in calling him a liar, and that his proof did not back up his claims. That is all that you would have to do to be proven right. OF course, you won't. You'll whine about something and then try to run away again.

[Rodney King]

OK. I will do it for you:

SPETZNAZ: And the strangest thing I read was this Freeper flame another person for even posting the thread…..and another Freeper who said words I will never forget: that he was ‘proud of Israel for attacking the USS Liberty because it showed the guts of Israel to go as far as attack an American ship!

MRUSTOW: You're lying. I dare you to come up with the thread and post number. I know, I know, how could you possibly be expected to go that far back ... especially to a post that DOESN'T EXIST

My Comment: You called spetnaz a liar, and dared him to come up with such a post.

Spetznaz: The link is http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/696972/posts in it you will see the people iw as talking about who are quick to jump to the ‘you are a bloody anti-Semite’ bandwagon. Some like Zionist Conspirator went into a whole thing of postivism Hellenism, juadaeo-bolshevism, avodat haqodesh, ben noachism and calls for red heifers…and at the same time calling everyone a neo-Nazi and Masonic warlocks. As for the guy who was saying he ‘respected’ the Israelis for attacking the American ship was Vbtang4 in post number 31 I believe

My Comment: Here. He has given you a link and a post # (31). What does it say?

Post 31: Save your respect for someone who has to have it....."F***" me right? The Israeli goal wasnt to kill Americans....it was to quickly disable the "spy" ship. To the Israelis, American deaths were subordinate to stopping intelligence aquired by the ship from getting back to Washington. The attack would've never come had some pussy Liberal President not woken up one morning on the wrong side of God and decided that he was opposed to the Israelis taking ground slated for them to have. Hell, I respect them that much more for doing it knowing the risks involved. LBJ was interjecting his political wishes into a situation that was about survival for the Israelis. They did what they had to do

Thus proving that he was telling the truth. The actually poster said "respect" instead of "proud". You will probably hang your hat on that. But to any neutral observer, Spetznaz was telling the truth. You called him a liar. He proved you wrong. You refuse to acknowledge that. You have not apologized for calling him a liar. You lack the basic decency to apologize for a false cahrge.

[LarryLied]

Liberals play a game with conservatives they call "Prove it!" They laugh when conservatives waste time foot noting what they have written. When proof is offered, they never admit they were wrong but find some weasel way excuse which wastes more time or they ignore the proof completely.

Sometimes it is worthwhile, as you just did, to call them on the game however.

[spetznaz]

I doubt there is a better approach to best articulate my profound thanks for stepping in concerning the Mrustow incident than saying a simple thank you. It is always a pleasure to find a Freeper who will look at the facts for what they are and come to their own individual conclusions.

Sadly there are people like Mrustow and Zionist Conspirator (by the way if you read the thread on the USS Liberty you would want to look at some of the trash Zionist Conspirator was writing….actually there were people who were initially in disagreement with what I was saying join my side when they read his comments on Ben Noachism and Red Heifers…so maybe I should be happy with him). :D.

Anyway the problem with people like Mrustow is that they hold a particular subject so dear that they automatically react in a visceral vitriolic manner whenever someone says something they do not agree with (even if that person is actually in support of their ‘cause’)! They cannot bear anyone saying anything against their ‘sacred cow,’ whatever it is….whether it be immigration, or military spending, or Israel, or the NRA…whatever is sacred to them….and without even reading the whole post/thread to get the whole picture they automatically condemn and commence with rabid unabated hostilities….almost like an animal acting on instinct!

And I want to believe that people like Mrustow are otherwise intelligent people who had a nerve ‘touched’ and thus reacted in an automatic mechanical reflex…..but there is always the chance that they just have not developed their mental intellect to an enhanced level, and due to this atrophied cerebral acumen they do not have any faculty for logical discussion (again I tell you to read the comments of Zionist Conspirator…his comments strat in post 48 in the link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/696972/posts they are simply hilarious. Actually there is a part he claims I am in cahoots with some person called John Lewey and that I had a ‘secret identity’ in some ‘other forum’ and that he would ‘reveal it’ if I did not watch myself! I really laughed at that one since I felt I was Bat Man or something….secret identity! Ha!).

Anyway I really doubt people like Mrustow have the capacity to even apologize when they make a boo-boo. Usually his ilk will try to find some ‘loop hole’ to give their weird claim credence(for example chances are he will come with some far-flung ‘point’ to justify I am still an ‘anti-semite…just as Zionist Conspirator claimed I was some ‘Helenist Positivist’ who was ‘under cover’ and trying to undermine the ‘fact’ that ‘Hashem is God’…..…and when they cannot they just stay silent and hope it will all just fade away). Anyhow such people do not really concern me since I believe my time is too precious to waste trying to converse with individuals who are too obtuse and inane to mentally support an intelligent conversation. The only reason I reply to them is so that other Freepers can see my comments, then have a look at theirs…and come to their own conclusions (and in the process see the neurotic fixation of some of the weirder Freepers out there).

And talking about weird I think I will conclude this post with a ‘gem’ of ‘literally wisdom’ from Zionist conspirator. Enjoy (I know I did):

At any rate, you say this is a forum for "conservatives." What is a "conservative?" I'm from the Fundamentalist Bible Belt, and I always thought all conservatives thought as I did. I joined the Birch Society and learned different. Whether or not I am a "conservative," I am most definitely a Fundamentalist, a Theocrat, a Ben Noach, and a "Theonomic positivist" (correctly understood). I am very sorry our country was founded by rationalist/deist Freemasons, but it was. BTW, I'm watching you guys on that other forum, so be careful what you post there. Just a friendly word of warning! Thank you. P.S.: Know where I can get a red heifer?

There is a LOT more from him….reading his posts were pure comedy.