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Oregon Fire Fight Hampered by Cooler Weather
KGW TV ^ | 5 August 2002 | GILLIAN FLACCUS

Posted on 08/05/2002 7:37:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Fire Fight Hampered by Cooler Weather 08/05/2002

By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer

Firefighters trying to get a line around the massive Florence Fire hoped for rain Monday, but said they were nevertheless making good progress on corralling the blaze with a 200-mile containment line starting at the California border.

The 240,000-acre fire, located in the Siskiyou National Forest in southwestern Oregon, increased Sunday by more than 40,000 acres from burnouts alone, said Tom Valluzzi, a U.S. Forest Service spokesman. Burnouts are fires that are intentionally set behind dirt containment lines by crews hoping to rob the main blaze of its fuel.

Firefighters said they would conduct burns down the ridge to the river that runs behind the Woods' house and then burn another ridge on the other side of the property.

The family has been cutting trees and clearing brush around the ranch for five days and had a sprinkler on the roof, said Susie Wood.

"They said they felt that with the efforts we've been doing, they think we can save our place," she said. "I hope so -- you've got to have a positive attitude."

The ridge fire licked at the base of trunks, sometimes creeping up the sides in short spurts and other times torching the entire tree in seconds. The fire created its own wind that erupted in loud whooshes, like a jet taking off, every time a tree ignited.

Flames jumped around, sometimes crisping one side of a tree and leaving the other untouched, but they did not cross a foot-wide dirt line dug that morning to control the flames.

On the opposite ridge, crews used a new blasting technology to carve out a one- to two-mile containment line for the next day's burnout. Tubes of sausage-shaped explosives were laid down and then detonated from a distance, creating a huge explosion that sent clouds of gray smoke above the tree line.

"It was multiple explosions and it was pretty loud," said Bill Evans, 84, who lives two miles from the blast site. "I thought I'd go out there on my bicycle, but they said no way."

A total of 40 miles have been scorched with drip torches and flare pistols by hand crews working along the fire's eastern flank, where it threatens about 17,000 Illinois Valley residents.

There are about eight more miles to burn before the containment line reaches the California border, where another fire team takes over responsibility, said Tom Knappenberger, a U.S. Forest Service spokesman.

The Florence Fire was still about one to two miles Sunday from the 41,000-acre Biscuit Fire and fire officials expect the two blazes to merge in the next few days.

"We expect them to and it's OK if they do," said Mike Ferris, Forest Service spokesman. "We've been treating them like one fire already."

The threat to the Illinois Valley has dropped because of progress with burnouts and the cooler weather, said Ferris. A 30-minute evacuation order for 17,000 people was downgraded to a two-hour warning Saturday night, he said. That could be lowered to a 24- or 48-hour notice in the next few days.

"We're feeling pretty good about the reduced threat in these communities. It's starting to look like they have a minimal risk to them," Ferris said.

Meanwhile, another management team handling the fire's western flank from a command post in Gold Beach continued to prepare a containment line around the northern and western sides.

The fire crossed Indigo Creek to the north and was about three miles from Agness, a tiny whitewater outpost, by Sunday. Crews planned to link line from the west and east sides in the next few weeks.

The Bear Camp Highway, which runs from near Grants Pass to Agness, was closed indefinitely at midnight Sunday so it can be used as a secondary containment line around the fire's northern edge, Ferris said.

About $10.1 million has been spent on the Florence fire alone, said Knappenberger, the spokesman. The fire was about 5 percent contained Sunday night.

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To: Granof8
That sort of thing is bound to happen when the Chiefs (and chiefs assistants) outnumber the braves.

Great find...Let me know who takes the fall for it (if anyone).

EBUCK

41 posted on 08/05/2002 10:50:58 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave
Dave, the author is screwed up!

Oregon Fire Fight Hampered by Cooler Weather
KGW TV ^ | 5 August 2002 | GILLIAN FLACCUS

I think Flaccus doesn't like cool weather! Cool weather is an AID to firefighters.

42 posted on 08/05/2002 10:51:44 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: EBUCK
correction needed - poor proofreading here, couldn't find it on the internet to copy and paste:

"That person may have felt miffed at missing the change to go, but when you're told no, you can't question it. We have 1,000 firefighters out there and it puts people at risk and communities at risk," Marra said.

Should be corrected to read:

"That person may have felt miffed at missing the chance to go, but when you're told no, you can't question it. We have 1,000 firefighters out there and it puts people at risk and communities at risk," Marrs said.
43 posted on 08/05/2002 11:01:04 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Granof8
"We have 1,000 firefighters out there and it puts people at risk and communities at risk"

"And we have 1800 administrative and other non-essential personel that all decisions must to go thru so we really can't get anything done in a timely fashion. As a matter of fact, the buracracy is so large that I'm personally amazed that we can afford to have firefighters on the ground!" (edited out of the original article by USFS political officer) /sarcasm

EBUCK

44 posted on 08/05/2002 11:07:07 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
I liked your version better. :)
45 posted on 08/05/2002 11:16:35 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Grampa Dave
According to the enviro wackos, harvesting a mature tree and turning it into useful forest products causes global warming but burning a mature tree doesn't. And they wonder why we call them wackos. They should be required to file an environmental impact statement every time they interfere with efforts to reduce fuel loads in semi-arid evergreen forests susceptible to fire.
46 posted on 08/05/2002 11:25:48 AM PDT by yoswif
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To: yoswif
They should be required to file an environmental impact statement every time they interfere with efforts to reduce fuel loads in semi-arid evergreen forests susceptible to fire.

Standard eco-nut environmental impact statement....

It's bad because my gut (and my corporate controllers) tells me so (tear rolling down cheek for effect). And all the cute and cuddly creatures are dying and stuff! Plus it's our job as curators of the cathedral that we stop evil humans from doing any more harm! It's for the animals dontcha know!

EBUCK

47 posted on 08/05/2002 11:29:52 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
From the Del Norte Triplicate, Crescent City, CA

They're winning the fight on the California side, but still struggling in Oregon

Published: August 4, 2002

By Jennifer Henion

Triplicate staff writer

Firefighters continue to gain control of the Sour-Biscuit Zone 2 Fire near the Low Divide and Gasquet areas.

Crews now have the fire 28 percent contained and held growth of the fire to 55 acres in the last 24 hours. The total acreage now burning on the California side Zone 2 fire is 21,800.

Because of the remote location of the fire and the time it takes to travel from headquarters at Del Norte High School to the front lines, crews are now staying overnight in camps near the fire.

Firefighters are now hand-digging trenches around the fire on the east and west borders to prevent flames from spreading.

On the southern edge of the fire, just five miles above Gasquet and nine miles northeast of Hiouchi, crews were prevented from creating a fire block line.

The difficulty of accessing the front lines of the blaze there and a lack of escape routes made sending fire crews to that area too dangerous, according to a news release by the U.S. Forest Service.

No structures have burned in the fire on the California side.

The Shelley Creek Fire near Patrick Creek Lodge just above Highway 199 is still 100 percent contained. Crews continue to monitor and mop-up that fire.

Residents living near both fires who were evacuated seven days ago, were allowed to return to their homes yesterday afternoon, but remain on a one-hour evacuation notice warning.

Costs of the Sour-Biscuit Zone 2 Fire are estimated at $1.3 million so far. The Shelley Creek Fire has cost about $2.5 million to fight, so far.

Weather is expected to continue to help fight the blaze. A cool, moist air mass is moving inland from the coast with temperatures in the mid 70's with 40 percent humidity.

The Sour-Biscuit fire burning in Del Norte County's Smith River National Recreation Area is connected with the Sour-Biscuit Zone 1 Fire burning just over the Oregon border.

Crews working to fight the Oregon section of the fire which has grown almost 1,000 acres in the past two days, are now conducting burn-out operations along the state line.

The Zone 1 fire is now 19,228 acres.

Between 10 a.m. and 5 p.m. today, fire crews are using explosives to create a fire line just west of O'Brien and south and Rough and Ready Creek.

The Florence Fire, burning five miles west of Selma, Ore. and threatening Cave Junction and Kerby continues to grow larger.

Burning less than two miles from the Sour-Biscuit Fire complex, the Florence Fire grew nearly 10,000 acres in the past 24 hours. It is now burning a total of 198,200 acres.

Four residences and eight outbuildings have burned in that blaze.

Information about how the fire is threatening the transmission lines which bring all of Del Norte County's electricity through the Illinois Valley from Grants Pass is unavailable today.
48 posted on 08/05/2002 11:41:46 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Granof8; calawah98; madfly; Grampa Dave; brityank; Trailer Trash; HAMMERDOWN; dixiechick2000; ...
Seen this yet?

The difficulty of accessing the front lines of the blaze there and a lack of escape routes made sending fire crews to that area too dangerous, according to a news release by the U.S. Forest Service.

For the spin/de-spin impaired "lack of escape routes" means no roads or roads that are in such disrepair that escape would be iffy if dependant upon said roads. Thank you envirals!!!

Click on Picure

EBUCK

49 posted on 08/05/2002 11:49:18 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
BTTT!!!!!!!
50 posted on 08/05/2002 12:11:34 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: yoswif
Just think of all the dangerous carbon dioxide releashed into the atmosphere with these massive fires.

The amount of CO2 releashed just this past month would far exceed all of the CO2 output of all SUV's in Kali running 24/7/365 for the rest of this century.

There are other toxins that get into the trees and heavy metals just from the tree's normal growth.

So when these fires started and burnt out of control besides the so call dangerous CO2 released, all types of metals and other inorganic and organic products are up in the air due to the smoke.

Massive pollution can be laid at the feet of the enviral fascists and their agendas of no roads, no logging, no removal of dead trees and heaven forbide any brush removal.

Time to remove these dangerous enviral fascists from any political power. Look them up with the other criminaly insane who try to harm innocent Americans 24/7.
51 posted on 08/05/2002 12:20:59 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: yoswif
Just think of all the dangerous carbon dioxide releashed into the atmosphere with these massive fires.

The amount of CO2 releashed just this past month would far exceed all of the CO2 output of all SUV's in Kali running 24/7/365 for the rest of this century.

There are other toxins that get into the trees and heavy metals just from the tree's normal growth.

So when these fires started and burnt out of control besides the so call dangerous CO2 released, all types of metals and other inorganic and organic products are up in the air due to the smoke.

Massive pollution can be laid at the feet of the enviral fascists and their agendas of no roads, no logging, no removal of dead trees and heaven forbide any brush removal.

Time to remove these dangerous enviral fascists from any political power. Look them up with the other criminaly insane who try to harm innocent Americans 24/7.
52 posted on 08/05/2002 12:21:00 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: All
Sorry about the double post.

Go to Lars Larson site to hear about the Enviral Whackos and their agendas interferring with the fire fighting in SW Oregon. He has promised even more exposure of the tactics and agendas of the most dangerous people in the World to America/Americans.

(Lars Larson Computer Radio Link to listen to Lars Live 12pm to 4 pm PDST)

53 posted on 08/05/2002 12:26:04 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: PoisedWoman
You have a great daughter with insight beyond most of us.

Your comments about the Eugene Fishwearp being a waste of paper reminds me of my daughter, who in second grade was given assignment to make a poster about saving trees. So she didn't make one. Took her teacher a minute to catch on, but she got a good grade.

Can you imagine the trees saved if Pravda Register of Eugene and the Oregonian went out of business to save trees?

Also, the electrical energy saved from not printing the fishwrap would be a large amount KWH's.

Then the carbon fuel used to drop the trees, trim them, gather them and load them to be sent to pulp mill, then to send the newsprint to the fishwrappers to be made into instant fishwrap with old news, then to get the fishwraps to newstands or homes, and then to take them to the expensive recycling centers.

So Pradva Register and the Orgonian should help the environment and close their doors.

54 posted on 08/05/2002 12:41:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: EBUCK
Repost your sticker reply on this string of 50 replies.

That way it gets more face time.
55 posted on 08/05/2002 12:43:29 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Latest from the Florence web site

What’s New: Construction of the Florence Fire’s southeast flank contingency fire line continued toward the California border last night. Approximately 0.5 mile remains to be built today. No burnouts occurred last night due to emphasis on fire line construction.

Cool temperatures and high humidity today may create unfavorable conditions for burnout operations. Primary and contingency fire line construction will continue, along with mop up and patrolling in areas already blackened by the fire or burnouts.

On Sunday, burnouts along the Florence Fire’s southeast perimeter were successful. Those burnouts took place south of Cave Junction, and west of U.S. Highway 199 and the community of O’Brien.

A meeting with the community of Galice is scheduled for today, at 5:00 p.m., at the Galice Community Center. Members of the Florence Fire Incident Management Team will talk about fire suppression strategies and answer questions.

The Bear Camp Road from Galice to Agness is closed to all users except fire-related traffic and local residents. The roadside will be cleared of brush and prepared for use as a contingency fire line, a measure to check any northward progression of the Florence Fire should it cross the primary control lines. Other roads to Galice and Agness remain open. The hiking trail through the Rogue River Wild and Scenic Area is closed due to extreme fire danger in the area. The Rogue River waterway is open.

Members of the Illinois Valley community have generously offered donations of food and clothing for the firefighters. While appreciated, the firefighters’ needs are met through full-service field kitchens, a laundry facility, a commissary, and other support and supply services. The Florence Fire Incident Management Team recommends that donations of food and clothing be made to the American Red Cross, and that monetary donations be made to the Illinois Valley Fire District. Signs, letters, waves and smiles are always welcome and are greatly appreciated.

Another wave of smoke rolling into the basin - on top of an already thick layer.

56 posted on 08/05/2002 1:02:00 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
From the Florence update ...

"At Risk: Portions of the towns or communities of Cave Junction, Kerby, Selma, O’Brien, and Agness; Gardner Ranch; private lands east of McCaleb Ranch; Late Successional Reserve; threatened and endangered fish; Illinois and Rogue River wild and scenic rivers; campgrounds."
57 posted on 08/05/2002 1:12:22 PM PDT by Granof8
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To: Grampa Dave
Why does the headline say the efforts of the firefighters are hampered when the body of the piece clearly refutes that?:

The threat to the Illinois Valley has dropped because of progress with burnouts and the cooler weather.

58 posted on 08/05/2002 1:26:56 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Grampa Dave
I have not heard much more about the fire than what they are putting out via the media at this time. The coverage on this fire is scant indeed, repetitive at best. I will post if I hear anything new.
59 posted on 08/05/2002 1:29:35 PM PDT by wanderin
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To: Grampa Dave; All
See my #49...this Buck's one step ahead of ya old man! LOL.

All,
I started the printer on the job on my lunch hour today. Shouldn't be long before ya'all'll be getting them stickers!

EBUCK

60 posted on 08/05/2002 1:43:38 PM PDT by EBUCK
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